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Author Topic:   If Genesis is Metaphorical, what's the metaphor?
arachnophilia
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Message 155 of 168 (193309)
03-22-2005 9:46 AM
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03-22-2005 9:31 AM


Re: A possible metaphor?
a good argument. i don't know. but the threat seems have made an impression, even if it was a very ineffective one.
Can we walk through the sections of Genesis and discuss the various lessons to be learned from each?
please. i'd be very interested. do you wanna go in order? cause otherwise, i'd like to start with genesis 12:10-13:2, 20:1-18, 26:6-17. the three wife-for-sister stories. apparently, the trick worked so well for abraham that he did it twice and is son did it once.
basically, our hereos are rewarded for deception. i'd really liek to know where the moral is here.

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Message 157 of 168 (193343)
03-22-2005 11:08 AM
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03-22-2005 10:07 AM


Re: A possible metaphor?
well, if we're doing them in order, i suggest we skip chanpters 1 and 2, because otherwise, we'll never get anywhere.
and i think we've probably adequately covered 3. so lets start at 4?
i also suggest we skip the genealogical sections, unless someone can show they actually mean something. i've heard a rumor that the names actually translate to form a sentance, but i haven't bothered checking.

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Message 159 of 168 (193381)
03-22-2005 11:55 AM
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03-22-2005 11:27 AM


Re: Starting on 4?
alright. i dunno. whatever you wanna do.
i'll play along.

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arachnophilia
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Message 161 of 168 (193388)
03-22-2005 12:05 PM
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03-22-2005 12:00 PM


Re: Well, frankly ...
quite. because i for one am convinced that genesis is more likely to be metaphorical than moralistic.

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Message 163 of 168 (193439)
03-22-2005 2:23 PM
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03-22-2005 2:18 PM


Re: Well, frankly ...
1.His interpretation was that God saw man becoming too sinful(i.e. scientific according to Nietzche) so he decided to drown them. To Nietzche this is a perfect example of how Judeo-Christian leaders put down knowledge in order to stay in control of their ignorant followers, and I can honestly see where he's coming from.
i disagreed at first, because the theme is not present in the actual story. however, the the extra-biblical literature it is. the enoch (watchers), it's azazel giving men TECHNOLOGY that promts the flood, and not the nephilim or men's wicked ways. it's the fact that they now had weapons.
2.The only real moral lesson I saw is that Noah's ark saved him while all the sceptics of a world flood drowned, meaning sometimes you have to do things despite what others think of you for it.
i don't recall anything about what noah's neighbors thought. i think that's from a very apocryphal later joke or song or something. it never specifically says what noah did to find favour with the lord either.

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arachnophilia
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Message 165 of 168 (193447)
03-22-2005 2:42 PM
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03-22-2005 2:29 PM


Re: Extra-Biblical Literature?
my really good link seems to be down at the moment. i'll look for another copy of enoch. it shouldn't be too hard to find.

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arachnophilia
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Message 167 of 168 (193576)
03-23-2005 12:56 AM
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03-22-2005 4:59 PM


Re: Link to the Book of the Secrets of Enoch ...
hey, that's a pretty good link. it's about the same content as what was in my old link that has since disappeared.

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