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Message 12 of 63 (188791)
02-26-2005 7:24 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by jar
02-26-2005 6:34 PM

The issue of what is and is not a sin

AngelDust, this was a great scripture that you presented!

NIV writes:

1 Cor 5:12-13= What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

From a church perspective, what constitutes wickedness?

Resurrected Hector writes:

It is now my belief that the true nature of religion is evil.

Is this not an irony of sorts?

Websters writes:

religion \ri-"li-jn\ n 1 : the service and worship of God or the supernatural 2 : devotion to a religious faith 3 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious beliefs, attitudes, and practices 4 : a cause, principle, or belief held to with faith and ardor religionist n

The issue is clarified within the above definition. Are we devoted to God or are we devoted to an "institutionalized system of religious beliefs"?

ResurrectedHector writes:

I'm willing to bet that the churches are secretly desperately trying to find extraterrestrial life, just in case society stop allowing them to pick on fags. Their plan is when that happens they can start saying "look, the aliens were created by the devil!

Actually, I personally think that extraterrestrial sightings are in reality demonic manisfestations. You are right in that I would not go embrace an "alien" at first sight. As a Christian, I DO discriminate against fallen angels.

Let me ask you something, though. Why are people so quick to dismiss Jesus as a valid supernatural claim yet so quick to embrace aliens as our hope for otherworldly wisdom?

Jar writes:

But the issue of same sex marriage does not involve anything within the communion.

Many Christians think that the union of opposite sexes is a complimentary action whereas the union of same sexes cannot be complimentary and is thus a type of idolatry and creature worship. The basic argument would be that a man who is prone to not seek a woman to compliment him would do better to seek communion with Jesus rather than with another man.
I DO agree with you that it is a civil issue and in that spirit, I am not against what society condones. As the scripture says, it is between the individual and God.

Even IF homosexual unions were proven to be a sin, it would only confirm that all of us are sinners in one way or another and all of us need communion with Jesus Christ.

MyMonkey writes:

Nobody likes to be thumped over their head with the Bible.

Agreed! Thump NOT lest ye be Thumped!

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Message 18 of 63 (189380)
03-01-2005 12:31 AM

Reply to: Message 17 by Angeldust
02-28-2005 12:50 PM

Im glad that the U.S. is not a Theocracy

Angeldust writes:

If the whole country was Christian we would have some basis for discussion in the political arena, however, being as a whole country never is, or never has been, I think we've overstepped our bounds on many occasions.

Actually I am quite happy that the U.S. is not a theocracy. I am a moderate, however, in that I believe that we need the discipline of the conservative as well as the unfettered expression of the liberal. Homosexual Marriage is a civil issue and the question is this: Is Marriage a sacred sacrament or a civil technicality?

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Message 53 of 63 (192306)
03-18-2005 10:31 AM

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03-17-2005 5:22 PM

Re: Bump

And what was your position again?

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Message 55 of 63 (192319)
03-18-2005 12:00 PM

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03-18-2005 11:28 AM

Re: Bump

I will agree that the church should stay out of politic, but they do have a responsibility to let their voice and their view be known.
They just need a better P.R. department!

Then again, if they persecuted Christ, they will persecute the voice of the church.

Christians are never believed because they never live the life.

Sider writes:

Graham Cyster, a Christian whom I know from South Africa, recently told me a painful story about a personal experience two decades ago when he was struggling against apartheid as a young South African evangelical. One night, he was smuggled into an underground Communist cell of young people fighting apartheid. "Tell us about the gospel of Jesus Christ," they asked, half hoping for an alternative to the violent communist strategy they were embracing.
Graham gave a clear, powerful presentation of the gospel, showing how personal faith in Christ wonderfully transforms persons and creates one new body of believers where there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, rich nor poor, black nor white. The youth were fascinated. One seventeen-year-old exclaimed, "That is wonderful! Show me where I can see that happening." Graham's face fell as he sadly responded that he could not think of anywhere South African Christians were truly living out the message of the gospel. "Then the whole thing is a piece of sh," the youth angrily retorted. Within a month he left the country to join the armed struggle against apartheidand eventually giving his life for his beliefs.

Just a small example of how public professions need to be backed by genuine behavior.

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Message 58 of 63 (193607)
03-23-2005 4:08 AM

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03-19-2005 4:14 PM

Angeldust writes:

I agree, but what should the P.R. department say on this topic?

Good question. Who is our target audience? What do we want them to know?

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Message 61 of 63 (193662)
03-23-2005 10:21 AM

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03-23-2005 9:26 AM

Mr. Smarty Pants meets Mr. Silly Sausage

And who is Jane Christie, anyway? And did your pants attend the school of hard knocks? Years ago, my Dads Trousers attended the same school!

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