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Melchior
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Message 8 of 157 (193960)
03-24-2005 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jydee
03-24-2005 6:38 AM


You might find it interesting to look up something called neural computers. They are essentially computers that takes an input and gives a wanted output.
The neat thing is that you don't program them with code. You train them, by giving them a set of inputs and the outputs you want from them. They change internally to suit the specific examples you give it. Usually the inputs are patterns, such as images or texts.
Eventually the computer/program get good enough to do this on it's own without any person ever looking or changing the actual code.
This is already partially implemented in things like trainable spam filters. You can even use those at home and train them for your own mailbox.

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Melchior
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Message 66 of 157 (194965)
03-28-2005 12:21 PM
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03-25-2005 12:13 AM


Re: ID at work here.
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You train them, by giving them a set of inputs and the outputs you want from them.
Yes, ID at work, providing the equipment and setting up the process, creating the capability to accomplish the desired goal of the designer.
Actually, I think it's a very fitting analogy to Theistic Evolution myself. Almost all proponents of ID that I've encountered here use the argument that IC-systems exist, and those by definition can't come around by simple processes.
On the other hand, we have something of a riddle here: A very intelligent designer could prefer to use processes that are self regulating simply because they do most of the work without requiring intelligence.
Or are you arguing that the way to see if a system is ID is to look for the purpose behind the system instead of the actual processes, and if so, what actual difference is there between ID and TE?

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