The fate of Ms. Schiavo

there is no person being kept alive. there is just a body. fate has already acted.there is also no justification for anyone to get involved in this personal matter.the legal issues have been unanimous that (a) terri did not want to be a kept vegetable and (b) what's left is currently a kept vegetable.this is not a matter of one decision: it is unanimous. every court that has reviewed it has reached the same conclusion. did I mention it was unanimous?the only logical conclusion is that they had a valid reason to make that decision.hearsay is not valid. claims that are contradicted by the vast evidence are not valid.get a life.

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I said the court decisions were unanimous. perhaps you need to read for content.And legally and ethically and traditionally the decision goes to the husband before the parents.This is a precedent based on {gasp} family values eh?The issue of legal guardianship means that until the child is married the parents become the default guardians, but once married the spouse takes that position.This is one of the core reasons the "gay marriage" issue will either result in marriage for gays or no marriage for anyone. Another place religious butt-in-ski types try to run other peoples lives.Terri did not leave a "written" will, but her "will" was known from discussions with husband and friends.Your points seem to relegate terri to a second class citizen, who's expressed views are invalid and who must continue to be cared for by parents, even though she was married.Think about what you are advocating.

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Seems you just don't want to understand.try this:U.S. Court Again Rejects Schiavo Appeal (click) That is one more court saying that you are wrong.To say that "Alleged comments that are attributed to Ms. Schiavo, remembered eight whole years after she went into cardiac arrest, does not constitute as clear and convincing evidence." is just evidence that YOU don't want to believe it.The courts have believed them because they are (1) substantiated by several parties and (2) consistent.It is also disrespectful and insulting that you don't believe that is what terri wants, because it seems that you cannot believe that she would say that, that she needs to be protected from herself or some other twisted illogical self-deluding concept. what she needs to be protected from are people like you that would take away her wishes.AND compare this with the parents admitted desire to turn her body into a mechanical borg regardless of how little brain there is and what other medical issues ensue. Talk about morbid denial of reality.AND YOU cannot speculate either because YOU didn't know terri: that is best left to the people who did know her ... gosh that would be her husband and friends that have testified repeatedly and consistently that she did not want to become a vegetable.Again: your position is untenable, insulting, degrading and ultimately irrelevant to reality. I expect you to be too closed minded to understand just how bad your position is.Enjoy.

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No. In the america that is still based on the principles of freedom, justice, equality and liberty, as espoused by the founding fathers, a judge can review the case and decide that the daughter wanted the tube removed from her vegetative body after the mind had died, that she had the right to make that choice and that she shares that right equally with every other person living in the US regardless of race or age or gender or religious or sexual orientation. and the judge can decide that nobody can interfere with that choice IN ORDER to protect that individuals rights.Is a body that does not feed itself starving?What you seem to fail to understand is that forcing that body to live on and on and on with no hope of conscious thought (there is no {place} for it to occur) is infringing on the rights of the individual in this case. rather than "protecting individual freedom" this is a trampling sham.get a life.

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using overemotive words and accusing others of motives that are only your opinions does not make your case any more valid or reasonable.this is not killing, the mind, the person is already dead and gone, long gone, forever gone. there is nothing there to build a mind on to say nothing of being able to recover the specific mind that has desolved here.and again ... High Court Rejects New Schiavo Request (click) bold for emPHASis... and again?What part of "NO" don't some people understand?Enjoy

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it's about respecting wishes. to see how quote boxes work use the peek function to see what is causeing the formating you see. you can set the message you are replying to in "Peek Mode" (top right corner of the {reply to} message.the one above is the simplest. just remember no spaces inside the [ ]'s and use the / to close the commandsimilarly useful commands are italics and boldBE SURE TO USE PREVIEW as any mistakes will show up in red highlights.Try it out at the {Practice makes Perfect} forum.enjoy.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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"Hello my baby
hello my honey
hello my rag-time gaaaalribbit"classic cartoon.

in my best Al Jolson immitation ...except that I seem to have a frog in my throat ...

sarcasm and argument from incredulity aside, you have presented no evidence that terri was not in fact so brain dead that massive parts had dissolved into spinal fluid.yes the truth, and the truth is that indeed terri was not only brain dead but brain {{{{gone}}}}.and sarcasm and argument from incredulity aside, nothing you have said in any way justifies taking away the individual rights of terri to die in the manner of her choosing and of the individual rights of her husband to exercise and act on those wishes of hers.and finally, sarcasm and argument from incredulity aside, nothing you have said has any bearing on this issue of real morallity and rational behavior. unless you saying that those who have tried to interfere in the private lives of a certain family are morally and intellectually bankrupt. that I would agree with.enjoy.

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except you make no presentation of information to justify that claim. or are you refering to your ignorance, that is apparent: you seem to be ignorant of the real ethical and legal issues here.the evidence I have seen includes the cat scans and the doctors testimony, but this issue does not rely on my opinion but on the opinion of the judges that reviewed the facts ... how many courts? and every one unanimously made the same decision?that is also to say that your opinion is not worth the time you take to issue it either: it is not your life, your family, your issue.I give you the right to decide your own course of action as long as it does no harm to others, in return for you giving me that same right: that is how america works. I respect your wishes as they relate to your life. I totally disrespect your insistance on infringing on and imposing your wishes on anyone else's life, whether it is the shiavo family or anyone else.people who are charged with determining the truth have all concluded (1) terri would not want to be kept alive in a persistent vegetative state and (b) that she was in a persistent vegetative state and (III) that legally and ethically the correct thing was to pull the plug on the flesh that remained.your sarcasm falls flat. perhaps if you had a valid point?enjoy.

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are you away that Delay pulled the plug on his dad when he was comatose due to complications with cancer?

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the person you love doesn't have to be dead for you to find another love.this too happens all the time.

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