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IANAT Inactive Member |
"Hypocrisy?"
Seems that the American human rights activists who criticise other countries for killing women are the hypocrits. You are so willing to take the word of a man with questionable motives over no other evidence of her wishes. In your system of justice, the default for reasonable doubt is death. I am a simple man of simple faith. I try to put myself in the father's place. A man claims to know my daughter in only a few years in comparison to the 30 years I knew her and he wished to kill her without allowing me to take care of her. This is not right.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
that was a response to tom delay refusing to save his own father's life. learn to read in context.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You are so willing to take the word of a man with questionable motives over no other evidence of her wishes. No other evidence? Hardly - two other individuals have given sworn testimony that corroborates Michael's statements of her wishes. This was sufficient evidence to convince 6 courts of law and 19 judges.
A man claims to know my daughter in only a few years in comparison to the 30 years I knew her and he wished to kill her without allowing me to take care of her. This is not right. If it's not what she wants, then its not what she wants. Maybe it doesn't feel right to you, but don't adults have the right to do things that their parents don't approve of? I certainly hope so. This message has been edited by crashfrog, 03-31-2005 01:31 AM
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IANAT Inactive Member |
Speaking of context, the thread is about Mrs. Schiavo, not Tom Delay.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Speaking of context, this thread is about the argument over keeping Terri Schaivo on her feeding tube, of which Tom DeLay's congress is a very large part. Delay and his mother pulled the plug on his own comatose, severely brain damaged father instead of putting him on life-saving dialysis when his kidneys began to fail. Now he is condemning the same private action and using it for his own crass political gain. I'd say that's completely relevant and in context.
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Thor Member (Idle past 5910 days) Posts: 148 From: Sydney, Australia Joined: |
You are so willing to take the word of a man with questionable motives over no other evidence of her wishes. Personally, I'm taking the word of the many judges that looked at the details of the situation and made an informed decision on the case.
A man claims to know my daughter in only a few years in comparison to the 30 years I knew her and he wished to kill her without allowing me to take care of her. The cardiac arrest that she had 15 years ago and the resulting severe brain damage is what killed her. All the feeding tube was doing was preventing the body from going where the brain already went a long time ago. Terri Schiavo the 'person' died years ago. Let the body go in peace.
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Thor Member (Idle past 5910 days) Posts: 148 From: Sydney, Australia Joined: |
Delay and his mother pulled the plug on his own comatose, severely brain damaged father instead of putting him on life-saving dialysis when his kidneys began to fail. Rather ironic him having the name 'Delay', it seems like that's exactly what he didn't do.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
using overemotive words and accusing others of motives that are only your opinions does not make your case any more valid or reasonable.
this is not killing, the mind, the person is already dead and gone, long gone, forever gone. there is nothing there to build a mind on to say nothing of being able to recover the specific mind that has desolved here. and again ... High Court Rejects New Schiavo Request (click)
The U.S. Supreme Court refused to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case for the sixth time late Wednesday, taking less than two hours to reject her parents' request that the feeding tube for their brain-damaged daughter be reinserted. The one-sentence ruling came hours after the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals resoundingly declined to intervene in the case. Justices did not explain their decision and there was no indication how they voted. The Supreme Court's decision, on Schiavo's 13th day without food or water, was the latest in a string of losses in state and federal courts for her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, and the second time in a week the high court rejected the parents' claims. ... and again? What part of "NO" don't some people understand? Enjoy we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Some wag on the internet came up with a new living will for those of us living in Florida!
As a public service, I am circulating a revised living will form that
I urge you all to complete and put on file as soon as possible. Florida Living Will I, _________________________ (fill in the blank), being of sound mindand body, unequivocally declare that in the event of a catastrophic injury, I do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. I hereby instruct my loved ones and relatives to remove alllife-support systems, once it has been determined that my brain is no longer functioning in a cognizant realm. However, that judgment should be made only after thorough consultationwith medical experts; i.e., individuals who actually have been trained, educated and certified as doctors. Under no circumstances -- and I can't state this too strongly --should my fate be put in the hands of peckerwood politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it. Furthermore, it is my firm hope that, when the time comes, any discussion about terminating my medical treatment should remain private and confidential. Living in Florida, however, I am acutely aware that the legislativeand executive branches of state government are fond of meddling in family matters, and have little concern for the privacy and dignity of individuals. Therefore, I wish to make my views on this subject as clear andunambiguous as possible. Recognizing that some politicians seem cerebrally challengedthemselves (and with no medical excuse), I'll try to keep this simple and to the point: 1. While remaining sensitive to the feelings of loved ones who mightcling to hope for my recovery, let me state that if a reasonable amount of time passes -- say, ____ (fill in the blank) months -- and I fail to sit up and ask for a cold beer, it should be presumed that I won't ever get better. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse, children and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes and call it a day. 2. Under no circumstances shall the members of the Legislature enact aspecial law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these boneheads mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and future of the millions of Floridians who aren't in a permanent coma. 3. Under no circumstances shall the governor of Florida butt into thiscase and order my doctors to put a feeding tube down my throat or through a hole into my abdomen to keep me alive. I don't care how many fundamentalist votes he's trying to scrounge for his run for the presidency in 2008, it is my wish that he plays politics with someone else's life and leaves me to die in peace. 4. I couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails tolegislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don't know these people, and I certainly haven't authorized them to preach and crusade on my behalf. They should mind their own business, too. 5. It is my heartfelt wish to expire quietly and without a publicspectacle. This is obviously impossible once elected officials become involved. So, while recognizing the wrenching emotions that attend the prolonged death of a loved one, I hereby instruct my relatives to settle all disagreements about my care in private or in the courts, as provided by law. If any of my family goes against my wishes and turns my case into apolitical cause, I hereby promise to come back from the grave and make his or her existence a living hell. --Evan Marcus evan@marcus5.net
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Heh heh. I like this one, myself.
"My wife and I made our living wills last night. Mine says that if I fall into a persistent vegitative state, and Tom DeLay comes within a hundred miles of me, I am to turn into a zombie and rip his fucking head off." "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
ROTFALMAO!!! That link was great Dan (or his clever alias)!
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Citizzzen Inactive Member |
"...So, in America, the great protector of individual freedom, a judge can prevent a father and mother from giving food or water to their starving daughter..."
In order to protect her individual freedom, yes. In this case, they are protecting her from THEM. The real question is why the great protector of individuals couldn't grant the same humane end of life options to Terri that it regularly offers to dogs. The heart attack and brain damage killed Teri, but her body didn't need to be starved to death. Even if she had left a living will, in FL euthanasia was never an option. Ironically, the same right to lifers that decried her starvation made it happen. Citizzzen The message is ended, go in peace.
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Chad_Hilse1 Inactive Member |
why not just let her live? I mean, if they let her live, her parents could die believing that she has a chance, that their little girl is still alive. Do you really think that she cared at thaat point? Whatever happens to her, her brain was jelled, and she wasn't going to care a whole lot one way or the other.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
In this case, they are protecting her from THEM. The decision to allow her body to die protects the parents from themselves too. They were about to dedicate their lives to tending a corpse with a beating heart. Moving even further from reality and building up their delusion that she was still there and responding to them. Leaving them in this state for more years and encouraging this is another one of the dispicable things done by those using this case for political ends. For those who thik this is very hard hearted: some of us have walked in those shoes, don't be to quick to think you understand until you have.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
why not just let her live? Because she didn't want to.
Do you really think that she cared at thaat point? I don't see how that matters, exactly.
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