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wj Inactive Member |
I notice that Syamsu, a previous poster on this board, has joined Terry's board. That should make for some tedious, circular discussions between them (esp. Syamsu, Terry and Salty) on the topic of natural selection if they don't agree to disagree at the first sign of a divergence of opinion. Creationists such as Terry are quick to grab any comment contrary to conventional evolutionary theory and ignore the inconsistency with their own religious beliefs.
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wj Inactive Member |
I see that wehappyfew has ventured into Terryworld.
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wj Inactive Member |
Percy, why would one resort to flames when merely showing Terry's actions speaks much louder than any words?
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wj Inactive Member |
Moose, I think you have arrived at a similar position as I did when discussing the Sakurai Object with Terry. In that case he clung to the phrase "extraordinarily fast" like a drowning man clinging to a lifesaver. I predict that in this instance Terry will cling to "young", "infant" and "blink of an eye" and similar adjectives from any of the references to preserve his position.
It might be disturbing for him if you can show that the authors of such adjectives give contextual meaning to those words eg. infant (but still 700,000 years old). Terry is a master of selective reading (or is it double think?) but it may reduce his bleating if you remind him that the infant is 700,000 years old and not less than the 6,000 years required to support the creationist myth.
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wj Inactive Member |
The only problem with signing up and never contributing is that, in Terry's mind, this demonstrates that the board is popular and all of the lurkers agree with Terry's opinions. Lack of supporting evidence for such a view would not be a problem for Terry.
I suspect that the vast majority of currently listed members on Terry's board have lost interest long ago and no longer even lurk. A string of sign-ons and then resignations / withdrawals might induce an interesting reaction from Terry.
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wj Inactive Member |
"Declaring victory" will certainly get a response out of Terry - no substantive data or argument, but a response. The evil of evolutionism must never be allowed to win.
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wj Inactive Member |
quote: Terry enforces his standards on creationists equally and on evolutionists equally. It's just that he holds the groups to different standards. Yes, I noticed the divergence of view between Salty and Terry. The strain of a marriage made in heaven must be showing.
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wj Inactive Member |
Moose, Salty certainly is an old earther. He might best be described as a theistic, saltationist evolutionist. He (John A. Davison) is/was an associate professor of biology at University of Vermont. More at his web page. The only characteristic position which he shares with Terry is anti-Darwinianism. However Salty accepts the remainder of conventional science; he just rejects natural selection as the mechanism for evolution. Necessity makes strange bedfellows.
Terry is full of ironies. However his preconceived notion of a young earth is not one as such, he has interpreted it from his reading of the bible and therefore it is a conclusion based on authority against which mere evidence must be judged and likely found wanting.
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wj Inactive Member |
Here is part of a recent posting by Terry on his Closer and closer thread which illustrates 2 points (see message 27).
"It is those that DON'T post that we are speaking too, Salty! Those are the ones that have not had their minds set like concrete on one paradigm or another due to whatever educational system they have been steeped in. We challenge them to QUESTION AUTHORITY! That is the beginning of true knowledge." Firstly I don't know if it is more laughable or pathetic that Terry should challenge others to question authority when his whole worldview is based on unquestioned acceptance of biblical authority. Second, his reference to the silent lurkers supports my view from message 70 that Terry thinks the lurkers agree with his opinion or at least are undecided. I'm sure that Wehappyfew, Mark24, Mammuthus etc (some silent lurkers) would not like to see themselves counted as evolution doubters or skeptics as Terry naturally assumes. [This message has been edited by wj, 10-17-2002]
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wj Inactive Member |
Moose, I refer you to my earlier messages 11 and 65 wherein I described my earlier argument with Terry on the Sakurai Anomoly and commented that you appear to have reached a similar endpoint. Terry's message #82 in More Rapid Canyon Carving I think proves my point. If I were so minded I think I could convincingly claim that I am clairvoyant (or I got a message from god).
Obviously the only person who can perceive the true meaning of the research is Terry by interpreting what someone reported on the research. The original researcher is obviously not in a position to know, just ask Terry.
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wj Inactive Member |
Scott, you might be surprised what Terry finds insulting to creationism and creationists. Check with Joe Meert or read some of the earlier messages of this thread which describe some posters' experiences at Terry's board. Strangely, creationists seem to enjoy much more latitude in their comments on evolution and its supporters at Terry's haven. And he is particularly blind to such inconsistency.
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wj Inactive Member |
Don't get too worked up, Brian. It's a joke.
However most of the humour on that board is unintended, based around the mental contortions which the creationists perform to fit any data into their theology.
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wj Inactive Member |
Necessity makes strange bedfellows.
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