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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Percy:
quote: I view the "Free For All" forum as a place to go totally of any creation/evolution topic (of course, the "Coffee House" forum is for such also). It is also a place to trade insults, etc. I put this topic in this forum, because I expected that there would be some shots taken at Terry's character. Things have been pretty friendly, and I would hope that they stay that way. I know that, if things turned ugly in this topic, as topic starter I would request that the topic be closed. And since I have Adminnemooseus under my thumb (I can take away his use of the computer), I am confident that it would be closed. Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83; Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U; Old Earth evolution - Yes; Godly creation - Maybe My big page of Creation/Evolution Links [This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 10-07-2002]
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I sent an e-mail to Robert H. Webb (USGS), who is listed in the "contact information" box at the University of Arizona page. Maybe, if I'm lucky, they'll post some supplimental information.
As I see it, my primary problem with Terry, is that the various pages telling of the "new information" use titles such as "Is the Grand Canyon a Geologic Infant?". Such titles do strongly imply that the "new information" is relevent to age considerations of the entire Grand Canyon. My assertion, or course, is that it is not; The "new information" makes no comment on the "entire Grand Canyon" age. This is my new message to Terry:
quote: My bottom line, at that Talk Origins board topic, is that I'm not going to permit Terry to have the final message (unless he bans me, in order to get it). Maybe I'll just end up repeatedly posting the above two questions. Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83; Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U; Old Earth evolution - Yes; Godly creation - Maybe My big page of Creation/Evolution Links
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: The old "annoy him by signing up for his message board, and then not say anything trick"? Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I think I may have succeeded in striking a blow at Terry's thought process, at the Grand Canyon topic at the Talk Origins board.
See message 50, here. He still has some wriggle room, but I already have a response lined up, for what I anticipate he might say next. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I've now brought "Morton's Demon" to Terry's site.
Terry's intitial response included:
quote: I will probably also bring Kenneth Miller' conversation with Henry Morris over there, somewhere along the line. Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83; Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U; Old Earth evolution - Yes; Godly creation - Maybe My big page of Creation/Evolution Links |
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Terry seems unable to concede that he has made any sort of a mistake. He could possibly retract the point I think I caught him on, without totally destroying his (flawed) arguement.
I shall give him some more time, then I will state that I must assume that the opinion of his previous message still stands. I'll then refute it one last time (also with a bit of new data), and declare a victory. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Terry and Salty are having a disagreement right now, in the anthropology "Closer and Closer" topic.
This is part of Terry's message 19:
quote: He is referring to the "preconceived notions" of mainstream science. Moose A ps to the big Admin guy: I've discovered that one must not put the "http colon slash slash" into the UBB code for links such as the above. The UBB code provides the "http colon slash slash" itself. If the poster also supplies it, it gets there twice, and the link is bad. I'm surprised that I've (Admin mode) only encountered, and fixed this problem once. I don't think the UBB code help page is clear on this situation. Perhaps it needs a bit more detail?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
First a further comment about Terry's "preconceived notions" comment, that was aimed at mainstream science. He seems to do such a lot. I found it highly ironic, coming from one having a "preconceived notion" of the magnitude of being a "young earther". The quote wasn't intended as any comment on the Terry/Salty relationship.
I'm not sure, but it seems that Salty is an "old earther"? As for Salty's "tiresome" comment - I think, to a degree, I may have had it coming. I had very badly stated a question (including using some wrong numbers), that ended up coming out as being of a "Have you quit beating your wife?" nature. It took two follow up messages from Terry, for me to realize my error, for which I subsequently apologized. Terry's way of operating in both the "young earth" and "old earth" mode sure does tend to get one fouled up. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: DQ? What's DQ? DM (Da Moose)
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Quoting myself:
quote: Scavenger hunt time. Can anyone find a example, at the Talk Origins board, of Terry owning up to having made an erroneous statement, a bad conclusion, etc. etc. etc. Has he ever admitted to being wrong? Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83; Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U; Old Earth evolution - Yes; Godly creation - Maybe My big page of Creation/Evolution Links
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Oh, Richard Strauss, Op. 35.
Are you referring to me or Terry (or both of us)? Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I've now got an ally at the active Grand Canyon topic, at the Talk Origins board.
My newest message there, is number 63. I think my next message at that site may be my last. It may be: MORTON'S DEMON!MORTON'S DEMON! MORTON'S DEMON! Added by edit: The Glenn Morton "Morton's Demon" message can be found at : http://EvC Forum: Ignorance and Arrogance -->EvC Forum: Ignorance and Arrogance I first mentioned "Morton's Demon", in this topic, at http://EvC Forum: What happened at talk origins? -->EvC Forum: What happened at talk origins? Moose [This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 10-15-2002]
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: The information presented for Havasu Canyon is also that the part of the canyon under consideration, is the deepest part, not the entire depth. But the information is presented in a rather fuzzy manner, so I didn't choose to pursue it. Instead, I have chosen to primarily focus in on this statement, from the "new information". I have quoted it to Terry repeatidly, in red text with bold highlighting.
quote: This explicitly states that it is the bottom third of the canyon, that was erroded in the last 700,000 years. The last 700,000 years doesn't cover the top two-thirds of the Grand Canyons depth. I would think that this in itself should be plenty to shoot down Terry's arguement that the entire Grand Canyon, rim to river, was erroded in the most recent 700,000 years. But, alas, Morton's demon seems to be powerful enough to filter the "a third of" right out of the sentence. Terry persists on reading it as "Some scientists now believe that the canyon’s depth may have been cut in the blink of a geologic eye perhaps during the past 600,000 to 700,000 years. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Functioning in the Admin mode, I did a save and print out of the complete topics list. The file ran 1,034 KB, took 31 pages to print out, and numbered 665 topics (including a number of damaged topics).
Anyhow, very deep in the list, I discovered an old Talk Origins / Terry topic. It's at http://EvC Forum: What happened at talk origins? -->EvC Forum: What happened at talk origins? . Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
My most recent message at the canyon topic, at the Talk Origins board:
quote: Moose ps: I've been posting ban provoking comments at TE. I should be gone from there soon. Morton's Demon has Terry's head in a vice.
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