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wj
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Message 56 of 157 (19176)
10-06-2002 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Percy
10-05-2002 10:47 PM


I notice that Syamsu, a previous poster on this board, has joined Terry's board. That should make for some tedious, circular discussions between them (esp. Syamsu, Terry and Salty) on the topic of natural selection if they don't agree to disagree at the first sign of a divergence of opinion. Creationists such as Terry are quick to grab any comment contrary to conventional evolutionary theory and ignore the inconsistency with their own religious beliefs.
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wj
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Message 61 of 157 (19261)
10-07-2002 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Mammuthus
10-07-2002 7:41 AM


I see that wehappyfew has ventured into Terryworld.
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wj
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Message 64 of 157 (19320)
10-08-2002 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Percy
10-08-2002 10:21 AM


Percy, why would one resort to flames when merely showing Terry's actions speaks much louder than any words?
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wj
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Message 65 of 157 (19360)
10-09-2002 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Minnemooseus
10-01-2002 12:30 AM


Moose, I think you have arrived at a similar position as I did when discussing the Sakurai Object with Terry. In that case he clung to the phrase "extraordinarily fast" like a drowning man clinging to a lifesaver. I predict that in this instance Terry will cling to "young", "infant" and "blink of an eye" and similar adjectives from any of the references to preserve his position.

It might be disturbing for him if you can show that the authors of such adjectives give contextual meaning to those words eg. infant (but still 700,000 years old). Terry is a master of selective reading (or is it double think?) but it may reduce his bleating if you remind him that the infant is 700,000 years old and not less than the 6,000 years required to support the creationist myth.


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wj
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Message 70 of 157 (19445)
10-09-2002 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Minnemooseus
10-09-2002 11:39 AM


The only problem with signing up and never contributing is that, in Terry's mind, this demonstrates that the board is popular and all of the lurkers agree with Terry's opinions. Lack of supporting evidence for such a view would not be a problem for Terry.

I suspect that the vast majority of currently listed members on Terry's board have lost interest long ago and no longer even lurk. A string of sign-ons and then resignations / withdrawals might induce an interesting reaction from Terry.


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wj
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Message 76 of 157 (19676)
10-11-2002 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Minnemooseus
10-11-2002 6:27 PM


"Declaring victory" will certainly get a response out of Terry - no substantive data or argument, but a response. The evil of evolutionism must never be allowed to win.
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wj
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Message 83 of 157 (19798)
10-13-2002 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Percy
10-13-2002 2:09 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Percipient:
Isn't Salty's comment about you becoming tiresome a violation of Terry's civility standards? Terry wouldn't unequally enforce his standards, would he?

--Percy


Terry enforces his standards on creationists equally and on evolutionists equally. It's just that he holds the groups to different standards.

Yes, I noticed the divergence of view between Salty and Terry. The strain of a marriage made in heaven must be showing.


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wj
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Message 85 of 157 (19811)
10-13-2002 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Minnemooseus
10-13-2002 9:38 PM


Moose, Salty certainly is an old earther. He might best be described as a theistic, saltationist evolutionist. He (John A. Davison) is/was an associate professor of biology at University of Vermont. More at his web page. The only characteristic position which he shares with Terry is anti-Darwinianism. However Salty accepts the remainder of conventional science; he just rejects natural selection as the mechanism for evolution. Necessity makes strange bedfellows.

Terry is full of ironies. However his preconceived notion of a young earth is not one as such, he has interpreted it from his reading of the bible and therefore it is a conclusion based on authority against which mere evidence must be judged and likely found wanting.


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wj
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Message 99 of 157 (20047)
10-16-2002 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Minnemooseus
10-09-2002 11:39 AM


Here is part of a recent posting by Terry on his Closer and closer thread which illustrates 2 points (see message 27).

"It is those that DON'T post that we are speaking too, Salty! Those are the ones that have not had their minds set like concrete on one paradigm or another due to whatever educational system they have been steeped in. We challenge them to QUESTION AUTHORITY! That is the beginning of true knowledge."

Firstly I don't know if it is more laughable or pathetic that Terry should challenge others to question authority when his whole worldview is based on unquestioned acceptance of biblical authority.

Second, his reference to the silent lurkers supports my view from message 70 that Terry thinks the lurkers agree with his opinion or at least are undecided. I'm sure that Wehappyfew, Mark24, Mammuthus etc (some silent lurkers) would not like to see themselves counted as evolution doubters or skeptics as Terry naturally assumes. ;)

[This message has been edited by wj, 10-17-2002]


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wj
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Message 106 of 157 (20225)
10-19-2002 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Minnemooseus
10-18-2002 2:42 PM


Moose, I refer you to my earlier messages 11 and 65 wherein I described my earlier argument with Terry on the Sakurai Anomoly and commented that you appear to have reached a similar endpoint. Terry's message #82 in More Rapid Canyon Carving I think proves my point. If I were so minded I think I could convincingly claim that I am clairvoyant (or I got a message from god).

Obviously the only person who can perceive the true meaning of the research is Terry by interpreting what someone reported on the research. The original researcher is obviously not in a position to know, just ask Terry.


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wj
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Message 123 of 157 (34006)
03-09-2003 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by derwood
03-09-2003 5:42 PM


Re: So terribly sorry to have put you in such a position
Scott, you might be surprised what Terry finds insulting to creationism and creationists. Check with Joe Meert or read some of the earlier messages of this thread which describe some posters' experiences at Terry's board. Strangely, creationists seem to enjoy much more latitude in their comments on evolution and its supporters at Terry's haven. And he is particularly blind to such inconsistency.
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wj
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Message 131 of 157 (39460)
05-08-2003 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Brian
05-08-2003 6:38 PM


Re: Terry the Beggar
Don't get too worked up, Brian. It's a joke.

However most of the humour on that board is unintended, based around the mental contortions which the creationists perform to fit any data into their theology.


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wj
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Message 148 of 157 (197198)
04-06-2005 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Minnemooseus
04-05-2005 11:06 PM


Re: John A. Davison and Terry agree only that "Darwinism" is wrong
Necessity makes strange bedfellows.
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