Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,818 Year: 3,075/9,624 Month: 920/1,588 Week: 103/223 Day: 1/13 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   General discussion of moderation procedures
berberry
Inactive Member


Message 61 of 304 (192633)
03-19-2005 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by AdminJar
03-19-2005 8:56 PM


Re: Sorry Charlie
and another thing, jar:
quote:
quote:
Saying that homosexuality is a sin is one thing, attacking the character of gays is quite another. You should be smart enough to see that.
Don't continue to make the same mistake and expect different results.
What mistake?

Keep America Safe AND Free!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 57 by AdminJar, posted 03-19-2005 8:56 PM AdminJar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 62 by AdminJar, posted 03-19-2005 9:34 PM berberry has replied

AdminJar
Inactive Member


Message 62 of 304 (192646)
03-19-2005 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by berberry
03-19-2005 9:15 PM


Re: Sorry Charlie
berberry writes:
You should be smart enough to see that.
Attacking the messenger instead of the message.
This message has been edited by AdminJar, 03-19-2005 08:34 PM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 61 by berberry, posted 03-19-2005 9:15 PM berberry has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 63 by berberry, posted 03-19-2005 9:45 PM AdminJar has replied

berberry
Inactive Member


Message 63 of 304 (192649)
03-19-2005 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by AdminJar
03-19-2005 9:34 PM


Re: Sorry Charlie
AdminJar writes:
quote:
Attacking the messenger instead of the message.
But I said:
Saying that homosexuality is a sin is one thing, attacking the character of gays is quite another. You should be smart enough to see that.
and you implied that that statement was mistaken. That statement wasn't an attack against anyone, yet you now say that my mistake was to attack the messenger. Laying aside the fact that the messenger I did attack (at another time, in another place) was making a character attack rather than relaying a message, you claimed I made a mistake somewhere in the above statement. I still don't understand where.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 62 by AdminJar, posted 03-19-2005 9:34 PM AdminJar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 64 by AdminJar, posted 03-19-2005 11:12 PM berberry has replied

AdminJar
Inactive Member


Message 64 of 304 (192691)
03-19-2005 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by berberry
03-19-2005 9:45 PM


Re: Sorry Charlie
I highlighted the key part.
Saying that homosexuality is a sin is one thing, attacking the character of gays is quite another.
I've covered this part. He is free to attack the character of gays. He can be challenged on that. No problem.
But then you added...
You should be smart enough to see that.
It is additions like that, asides that add nothing to the conversation and are attacks on the poster. In this case you are questioning MY intellegence, attacking the messenger.
You can do better.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 63 by berberry, posted 03-19-2005 9:45 PM berberry has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 65 by berberry, posted 03-19-2005 11:15 PM AdminJar has not replied

berberry
Inactive Member


Message 65 of 304 (192693)
03-19-2005 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by AdminJar
03-19-2005 11:12 PM


Re: Sorry Charlie
Well, I'm certainly attacking your logic. You say that attacks are allowed from one side only. I'll let you decide whether that is an intelligent position, but it certainly can't be defended as logical.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 64 by AdminJar, posted 03-19-2005 11:12 PM AdminJar has not replied

AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2303 days)
Posts: 2073
From: The Universe
Joined: 10-11-2003


Message 66 of 304 (192710)
03-20-2005 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Adminnemooseus
03-19-2005 3:41 PM


Re: Who gets to talk to Faith?
My main reason for moving that thread was so that Faith could answer the posts that she wanted to answer. If it had just been reopened, the piling would have started again. Once she has the chance to get to the posts that she already has waiting for her, I see no reason not to move the thread back to general forum and let other have at it. A real GD could then be started.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 52 by Adminnemooseus, posted 03-19-2005 3:41 PM Adminnemooseus has not replied

berberry
Inactive Member


Message 67 of 304 (192819)
03-20-2005 2:44 PM


this is ridiculous
Regarding this post from Percy in which he suspends crashfrog:
quote:
It isn't the language, it's the attitude.
Just what is our attitude supposed to be? I read through that entire thread and I can't see anywhere that crash crossed the line, unless calling creationist nonsense lies is considered crossing a line. I note that plenty of creationists were calling evolution a lie in the same thread, why pick on crash?
So, it would appear that the creationistas are given the freedom to characterize evolution proponents in any way they wish, but the evolution side is not free to point out the obvious lies and the unscientific basis of creationism. Further, fundies are perfectly free to launch character attacks against gays but gays are not allowed to respond in kind.
It's your forum, you can do as you wish. But there should be no pretense that anyone who trusts science or who does not conform to right-wing christian teachings in their personal lives will be treated fairly here. In fact, there should be a disclaimer on the homepage saying something like:
This is a faith vs. science forum in which only the faithful are allowed to engage in character attacks. Any counter-attack from a person of science or from anyone who chooses not to conform to the most rigid right-wing christian ideology will be dealt with harshly.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

Replies to this message:
 Message 68 by Admin, posted 03-20-2005 4:31 PM berberry has not replied
 Message 70 by crashfrog, posted 03-27-2005 6:28 PM berberry has not replied

Admin
Director
Posts: 12998
From: EvC Forum
Joined: 06-14-2002
Member Rating: 2.3


Message 68 of 304 (192847)
03-20-2005 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by berberry
03-20-2005 2:44 PM


Re: this is ridiculous
Thanks for the feedback. Maybe balance means being vilified equally by both sides! Of course, I guess Percy achieving balance in being detested isn't the same thing as EvC Forum being balanced in it's treatment of Creationists and evolutionists, but we'll keep trying!

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

This message is a reply to:
 Message 67 by berberry, posted 03-20-2005 2:44 PM berberry has not replied

Adminnemooseus
Administrator
Posts: 3974
Joined: 09-26-2002


Message 69 of 304 (194836)
03-27-2005 3:07 PM


Profound ignoring of the topic theme
Forum guideline 1:
Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
I have just closed the "Soracilla defends the Flood? (mostly a "Joggins Polystrate Fossils" discussion)" topic, because of extreme topic drift. My closing message is here.
The ignoring of the topic theme was so extreme (and the participents knew it) that I actually considered handing out some suspensions over it. But I won't.
People, you need to do your own moderation sometimes. Maybe sometimes do something like a reply saying no more than "message is badly off-topic".
The worst part of it, is that there are other active topics where some of the off-topic postings would have been on-topic.
Adminnemooseus

crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 70 of 304 (194856)
03-27-2005 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by berberry
03-20-2005 2:44 PM


Just what is our attitude supposed to be? I read through that entire thread and I can't see anywhere that crash crossed the line, unless calling creationist nonsense lies is considered crossing a line.
I had 3 thoughts about Admin's actions:
1) I agreed that I've taken a non-constructive attitude in the past.
2) I was probably due for a suspension for that and if it gives Admin examples to use of fair-handed treatment of evolutionists, so be it.
3) In the particular post that Admin replied to, I actually hadn't intended to take the attitude at all, but upon subsequent reviewing I totally understand how my words would be interpreted in that way.
So, I had no problem with the suspension; it was a long time coming to me.
I think we can agree that evolutionists around here are better, generally, than the creationists at framing arguments in a legitimate basis. To use an analogy, in a wealthy suburb, the cops give tickets to speeders and jaywalkers. In the poor urban center the cops arrest crack dealers, and you can pretty much jaywalk wherever you want. In other words because the evolutionists tend to avoid poor argumentation, we're more likely to have our attitudes "corrected." While creationists, who are receiving so much attention to their technical shortcomings, are less likely to be corrected for their tone.
Everybody's going to have a different idea of what constitutes fair play, and for most of us, that idea is probably going to be unfair to everyone but ourselves. When we appoint a few people as admins, naturally they're going to administer according to their personal sense of fairness, and naturally, some of the rest of us are going to disagree.
I've always thought Percy and the rest - even you, Moose - do the best job they're capable of. And I don't expect the board to be perfectly fair, because after all its run by human beings, right?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 67 by berberry, posted 03-20-2005 2:44 PM berberry has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 71 by Percy, posted 03-27-2005 9:35 PM crashfrog has not replied

Percy
Member
Posts: 22393
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.2


Message 71 of 304 (194883)
03-27-2005 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by crashfrog
03-27-2005 6:28 PM


Crash writes:
I've always thought Percy and the rest - even you, Moose - do the best job they're capable of. And I don't expect the board to be perfectly fair, because after all its run by human beings, right?
Wrong! I don't know about the other moderators, but if you look at my avatar you'll notice I'm a cat. That should be all you need to know to understand moderation practices around here!
All joking aside, moderators *will* make bad decisions. But the usual penalties handed out here aren't particularly severe, so the cost to a member when it is the moderator who is wrong isn't very much. The lesser moderation actions, for example suggesting to someone that they aren't following the Forum Guidelines, also raises much ire, and has generated a number of threads that do nothing more than discuss debating styles.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 70 by crashfrog, posted 03-27-2005 6:28 PM crashfrog has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 72 by Trae, posted 04-11-2005 2:29 AM Percy has not replied

Trae
Member (Idle past 4307 days)
Posts: 442
From: Fremont, CA, USA
Joined: 06-18-2004


Message 72 of 304 (198208)
04-11-2005 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Percy
03-27-2005 9:35 PM


I would normally remain silent, but you’re really crossing the line. It is bad enough your kind practice your despicable feline lifestyle. But does your kind really have to shove it’s sinful lifestyle down our throats. It is clear what the secret agenda is of this forum and equally clear it involves furballs.
Don't take the above as a personal attack. I love the individual, it is the group that sickens me.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 71 by Percy, posted 03-27-2005 9:35 PM Percy has not replied

macaroniandcheese 
Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days)
Posts: 4258
Joined: 05-24-2004


Message 73 of 304 (198209)
04-11-2005 2:32 AM


no. i was just being cute. i (unlike most people) tend to just get fed up with stupid crap. but i thought that was really funny. *pats moosey on head*

Trae
Member (Idle past 4307 days)
Posts: 442
From: Fremont, CA, USA
Joined: 06-18-2004


Message 74 of 304 (198225)
04-11-2005 5:05 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by AdminNosy
01-30-2005 11:18 AM


Nevermind.
This message has been edited by Trae, 04-11-2005 01:12 AM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 10 by AdminNosy, posted 01-30-2005 11:18 AM AdminNosy has not replied

contracycle
Inactive Member


Message 75 of 304 (198230)
04-11-2005 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Admin
03-02-2005 9:42 AM


Re: Vercingetorix's Privileges Suspended
quote:
Hi Vercingetorix,
Your posting privileges are suspended.
Now that is indeed pathetically absurd.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 28 by Admin, posted 03-02-2005 9:42 AM Admin has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024