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doctrbill
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Message 114 of 142 (19898)
10-15-2002 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Tokyojim
10-12-2002 11:21 AM


So much for shortening the posts. I've not much patience for books anyway. But I did catch something I thought humorous -
"Hitlers Secret Conversations ... With an introductory essay on The Mind of Adolf Hitler"
If the conversations were secret, then ... ? And, who really knows the mind of another?
Typical of "mystery religions" if you ask me. But you didn't, yes?
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doctrbill
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Message 135 of 142 (28727)
01-09-2003 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Tokyojim
01-07-2003 10:06 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Tokyojim:
This view ... seems to imply that the animals were carnivorous from the beginning whereas the Bible tells us they were vegetarians until sin entered the world.
- Where does the Bible tell us that animals were vegetarians until sin entered the world? (Chapter and verse please)
- If Lions started out as grass eaters then they must have had the teeth, the feet, the digestion, the social order and the attitude of grass eaters.
If Lions changed their ways then and began to eat meat, they would have to change their teeth, their feet, their digestive systems, their social structure and their personal attitudes.
Lions would have had to evolve - suddenly.
Someone would have had to miraculously change the gentle herbivore into a vicious carnivore. Someone would have had to re-invent the passive grazing animal and re-create it as an aggressive predator.
And this was necessary because a couple of Jews ate a Non-Kosher diet?
...........................................
Childrens stories are for children.
db

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doctrbill
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From: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Message 137 of 142 (28835)
01-10-2003 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Tokyojim
01-10-2003 9:30 AM


TJ - OK, so I overstated the case.
I don't know offhand when the animals started to eat meat.
db - You don't know ON hand when the animals started to eat meat.
TJ - No death yet in this world outside of plant death.
db - So, "death" means only certain kinds of death? NOT death in general?
TJ - No disease, killing, etc. This is all said to have entered the world as punishment for their grave sin of rebellion against their Creator.
db - "... all said to have ..." Now there's the key to understanding. By the way, please note that the first act of killing was perpetrated by God. I suppose he must have said - See what you made me do?
Poor helpless God, being pushed around by his defective creation.
Gots to put the hurt on them. Not perfect. Gots to break 'em now.
TJ - God writes this ... :
"... God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: ..."
db - Do you know the difference between writing and saying?
TJ - "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you."
db - So the dietary laws of Leviticus are an afterthought?
TJ - "But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood."
db - So, the animals are disobeying God now? When did that begin?
TJ - When Adam and Eve sinned, they elevated themselves to the level of God.
db - OK
TJ - they believed the lie of the devil who told them they could become like God.
db - You can't have it both ways. It was a lie or it was not. God said they had become like him. So did they or didn't they? If they did, as God said they did, then the devil did not lie. If they did not, as you say, then God lied. Make up your mind.
TJ - They deliberately rebelled against their loving Creator.
db - They didn't know right from wrong until after they ate from The Tree of the Knowledge of Right and Wrong!
TJ - they were consciously choosing to rebel against Him.
db - They didn't know the meaning of the word!
TJ - I guess I'm just ... a sucker for fairy tales.
db - I guess you are.
TJ - We have a will and a mind of our own.
db - And whose fault is that?
TJ - We want to run our lives rather than have to humble ourselves before God and depend on Him to save us.
db - Some of us want to run the lives of others and make them humble themselves before God so we can depend on their money to save us. Isn't that right, preacher man?
db

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