TJ - OK, so I overstated the case.
I don't know offhand when the animals started to eat meat.
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You don't know ON hand when the animals started to eat meat.
TJ - No death yet in this world outside of plant death.
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So, "death" means only certain kinds of death? NOT death in general?
TJ - No disease, killing, etc. This is all said to have entered the world as punishment for their grave sin of rebellion against their Creator.
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"... all said to have ..." Now there's the key to understanding. By the way, please note that the first act of killing was perpetrated by God. I suppose he must have said - See what you made me do?
Poor helpless God, being pushed around by his defective creation.
Gots to put the hurt on them. Not perfect. Gots to break 'em now.
TJ - God writes this ... :
"... God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: ..."
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Do you know the difference between writing and saying?
TJ - "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you."
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So the dietary laws of Leviticus are an afterthought?
TJ - "But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood."
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So, the animals are disobeying God now? When did that begin?
TJ - When Adam and Eve sinned, they elevated themselves to the level of God.
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OK
TJ - they believed the lie of the devil who told them they could become like God.
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You can't have it both ways. It was a lie or it was not. God said they had become like him. So did they or didn't they? If they did, as God said they did, then the devil did not lie. If they did not, as you say, then God lied. Make up your mind.
TJ - They deliberately rebelled against their loving Creator.
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They didn't know right from wrong until after they ate from The Tree of the Knowledge of Right and Wrong!
TJ - they were consciously choosing to rebel against Him.
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They didn't know the meaning of the word!
TJ - I guess I'm just ... a sucker for fairy tales.
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I guess you are.
TJ - We have a will and a mind of our own.
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And whose fault is that?
TJ - We want to run our lives rather than have to humble ourselves before God and depend on Him to save us.
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Some of us want to run the lives of others and make them humble themselves before God so we can depend on their money to save us. Isn't that right, preacher man?
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