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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Perhaps I read more into IANAT's posts than was warranted. I didn't read it as merely advocating a way of organizing society -- I read the implication that an Islamic state also have coercive police power to enforce certain behaviors, even when not in themselves disruptive to the well-being of others, even when a significant fraction of the population doesn't agree with the ruling elite's determination of what constitutes proper Islamic "ways". That is what I am arguing against.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I read the implication that an Islamic state also have coercive police power to enforce certain behaviors, even when not in themselves disruptive to the well-being of others, even when a significant fraction of the population doesn't agree with the ruling elite's determination of what constitutes proper Islamic "ways". And you were pretty much dead-on, with the exception that it's not exclusively Islamic. In post 23 IANAT pretty clearly lays out his desire for Christians, Muslims, and Jews to get together to decide on moral laws to which everyone should be held. He excludes atheists from this decision making, on the grounds that they will "want to be legally wild". I'm not sure what argument Contracycle's having here, but it doesn't seem to be based on anything that was actually posted on the thread. "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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AdminSchraf Inactive Member |
quote: Stop the personal attacks immediately. You have been warned in another thread, as well. Continue and you will have earned a revocation of posting privileges.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Which the west does as well. Western states use coercive police powers to enforce property rights even when a sigfnificant fraction of the population does not agree with the ruling elite. Pot <> Kettle.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: and I told you that the administrators have lost the credibility to declaim such judgements.
quote: Hear No Evil, eh?
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
contracycle writes: We may have lost credibility(at least in your eyes) but we have the authority. and I told you that the administrators have lost the credibility to declaim such judgements. Play nice with Dan and his clever alias. And show Schraff a little respect! She puts up with us, after all! This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-14-2005 02:27 AM
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: You do not have authority. You merely have power.
quote: Schraff doesn't respect engineers, why should I respect her? Edit: I point out further that if you had been doing your job adequately my intervention would not have been required. This message has been edited by contracycle, 04-14-2005 04:49 AM
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
IANAT writes: It is my opinion the problem with western society, is this notion of "separation of church and state." This has turned into the situation where religion adjusts to the state, instead of vice versa. This is why Islamic states do not favor this arrangement of separation. Islam is a way of life, as the quote above states. It encompasses all, including state affairs. I believe Iraq democracy will initially start western but move to an Islamic state. We can live in peace together. So you believe that the western democracies should be theocratic? And do you really think that there will be peace? What possible scenarios could prevent peace? By peace, I mean spiritually as well.
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AdminSchraf Inactive Member |
Contracycle, the following statement to Dan:
quote: is a clear violation of forum rule #3, which states:
Respect for others is the rule here. Argue the position, not the person. The Britannica says, "Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach." You agreed to abide by when you signed up to participate in this forum. The rules exist for everyone, not everyone except contracycle. Abide by the rules or face the consequences. This message has been edited by AdminSchraf, 04-14-2005 07:20 AM
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Then apply them consistently. Respect for IANAT was not demonstrated and what did you do? Bugger all. Twiddled your thimbs. As I told you, you don't have sufficient credibility to impose such "discipline". All you have is power, like any bully. You may do what you wish, as I have no power. C'est le guerre.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Christianity lost its teeth when it proclaimed that Christians are not under the Law. It is hard to shape spiritual behavior without rules or guidelines. Christianity seems more concerned with recruiting and adding to the flock as opposed to teaching people how to live a spiritual life as a way of life. It's a business. Since you are in Texas and not an Islamic State, do you have difficulty maintaining your Islamic way of life since the government does not enforce it for you?
quote:I have a feeling they will also. Their country, their choice. "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
You do not have authority. You merely have power. Iyyyam an anti-christ! Iyyyyam an anar-chist!
I point out further that if you had been doing your job adequately my intervention would not have been required. He's right on this one, Admins. You really dropped the ball by not pulling accusations of tyranny and barbarism that were never made out of your asses, and then berating people for them. Fortunately for all of us, Contracycle here was willing to step up to the plate. "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Thats right. After all, authority is merely social, not factual. Anyone can step on up. And I do NOT see why you should get away with abuse merely because the nominal admins give their tacit consent.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
And I do NOT see why you should get away with abuse merely because the nominal admins give their tacit consent. Well, it's only fair. After all, I still don't see why US law is irrelevant to a conversation about US law. And I asked you that ages ago. But just to be clear... this "abuse" would be all those times I called IANAT a barbaric tyrant, right? This message has been edited by [Dan's Clever Alias], 04-14-2005 09:42 AM "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
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