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Hi, Contra. I reviewed the history of your discussion with Arach. Methinks it pointless to debate him on this particular issue as it is a faith issue. I DO see your position in regards to how the national hospitality was unfairly judged by what you perceive as a religious minority whom perpetuates myth.In fact, the issue is still in your craw today. You may want to start a thread in regards to where individual belief and community responsibility collide and where they cooperate. I may not fully understand your position, but Faith issues will never be proven in faith threads just as political issues should never be defined by faith alone in political threads.

I know Eta and I were into a meta-discussion (with me as Admin), but it's my fault and we were waiting for PeaceHarris to reply to the spectra information posted by Eta and me (mostly Eta). I've found the discussion incredibly informative, and I think there should be an opportunity for PeaceHarris to react to what's been explained.--Percy{Added by edit: Topic reopened - Adminnemooseus}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-12-2005 03:44 PM

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Hi, Contra. I reviewed the history of your discussion with Arach. Methinks it pointless to debate him on this particular issue as it is a faith issue. I DO see your position in regards to how the national hospitality was unfairly judged by what you perceive as a religious minority whom perpetuates myth.

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Its not a faith issue according to Brenna. She can offer the evidence for the previaling academic position in lieu of Arach, if she likes, I don't care.Please re-open the thread.

it's not a faith issue at all. it's not only the prevailing and educated academic opinion, but has been for nearly 2000 years. evidence has been provided for that in the thread, as well as the basis for establishing its key similarities with hospitality myths, and context of the generalizations used in genesis. (even if his understanding of the social context would otherwise be correct, the text itself would prove it otherwise)on the other hand, contracycle has been shown to be wrong on the existance of myths where inhospitality results in multiple deaths, and refuses to acknowledge this fact, even after it was posted multiple times. he was also shown to be wrong on cultural context for the authorship of genesis, but kept arguing for a context more than 600 years out of date. (also the approximate period of time between the authorship of the book and the first date i could find for the hospitality interpretation)this has nothing to do with faith at all. i'm fine with other interpretations, but contracycle did not want to offer one, in lieu of his overriding belief that such a reading was impossible despite the cold hard literary fact that it is not only possible, but prefered in over 2000 years of jewish literature. nothing to do with that, either. i accept that fact. i never said it was a fair judgement on the part of the writers, just what people have thought that judgement to be for nearly 2000 years.contracycle simply does not wish to debate in good faith, and acknowledge his errors.This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 04-13-2005 07:57 PM

i posted a hebrew source older than the masoretic manuscripts by at least 100 years. yeah, older than the first hebrew-language bible we have.i think flavius josephus should count for something, even if you want to disregard the religious opinions of the talmuds and midrashim.

We won't be rehashing the arguments here.As far as I'm concerned the thread can remain closed.

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sorry, the debate had degressed to the point where we were debating what we had actually debated. hard to tell what was actually the subject of the debate. i was just trying to voice my opinion of why the tread should remain closed. thank you.

:~ IT IS DARN STUPID OF ME. BUT . . .
Note where the Admin suggests a new Thread, but what happens when
one side is suffering from a PERSECUTION COMPLEX ??? I am not trying to make a point as much as I'm venting. Thread management doesn't make sense at the Forum Originators or Authorized users may post REPLY but heaven for offend that you be given the power to delete. Where a debated ITEM is advantaged in only a single side discussing the an actual point DOES IT mean that there's a need to close that Thread ? How about when one side is underrepresented ? One of the Admin suggests a "start fresh" ? At this (web)site F lores-M an Is there an ever a brief public notice issued by the Admin Moderator or original author demanding that the underrepresent ones get in a word or this that too much to expect ? Oh, when will they ever have a brief public notice asking or informing that side of that ? Obviously this IS NOT A FORUM Having a general call-out don't make sense. What to do with the hit and run crowd where a statement lacks any point to it (e.g.- Evolution is a MYTH) Is that what matters (a declaration) without adding to the back and forth? It's that point loudmouth makes. Hit and run without addressing anything. A "faith" declartion BELONGS just not everywhere. I hope that all of us have not discouraged you by everyone attempt in dissuading you If only I could open this up to a more General issue here. IMP the more religous amoung us are not respected ONLY due to their refusal to address specifics and by this act moving a thread along. Surfing the Web you hear a lot of: "They [Fundementalists] seems to never do their homework" I don't know how to mention this in a way that doesn't sound harse towards Creations and Fundementalists Nothing speaks to this like an open discussion about F lore M an In a current discussion, from the island of F lores :Authoritative citing from people on the ground or experts could never hurt Example, "Michael (Australian team leader) has said concerning F lores M an, "[Man didn't produce (manufacture) the tools at the dig sites] In the absence of such evidence, we conclude H. floresiensis made the associated stone artefacts. Morwood continues, they [Flores Man] must have hunted cooperatively to bring down the pygmy elephants Similarly a paper is discussed about Morwood, M.J., and A. Raza Fission track age of stone tools and fossils on-the Indonesian island of Flores. Nature 392 Vol".' There are naturally going to be a sort of framework from. a Scientific Journal While no body is listening YOUR telling people to flee from the destruction U know I didn't even care Hey, Some of us just get our kicks from a debate (debating alone) It's like the Lyrics from the 80s might be in order Tryin' 2 run from the destruction U know I didn't even care 'Cuz they say two thousand zero zero party over Oops out of time So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999
(Creations this is to you If you want someone to try and under-stand your position, & if somebody is not necessarily agree with it, that doesn't mean we are insulting your inteligence How can anyone demand that the underrepresent side be included too See here, I for one hope you aren't so badly treated online (www) that you are often considered to be the handicapped person (mentally handicap)The whole, : STOP, I live here . . . Look, In a word, what's your point of having a forum if just half the people show up ???:This message has been edited by Death_stranger, 04-14-2005 04:52 PM

what?

I wanted to add a link
http://EvC Forum: Abiogenesis - Or Better Living Through Chemistry -->EvC Forum: Abiogenesis - Or Better Living Through Chemistry
(thread of an exposition by Quetzal about abiogenesis)to thread
EvC Forum: Abiogenesis
(a later question about the current state of abiogenesis)Found these two while searching... the question really could be answered easily by referring to the previous thread.But I couldn't add the link (as a reply to the first post) because the thread is closed.By the way Quetzal if you read this, thanks for posting the original exposition. I'm looking forward to reading it more thoroughly.BenP.S. It seems strange to me to close threads permanently (except for those continued via other threads). If older threads really are intended to be archives, then they should be left open to allow others to respond freely. Maybe threads should just be closed temporarily? Anyhoo.

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it's not a faith issue at all. it's not only the prevailing and educated academic opinion, but has been for nearly 2000 years.

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Evidence please.Please show it is the prevailing academic opinion.

evidence has been shown in the thread in question, repeatedly. this is not a debate thread.

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evidence has been shown in the thread in question, repeatedly. this is not a debate thread.

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No such evidence was ever shown, and such "evidence" as you did show was debunked.I agree this is not a debating thread, that is why I have asked for the thread to be reopened. Please re-open the thread.

it has been the decision of multiple admins here not to reopen the thread. i am not really interested in being harassed for evidence that has already been provided.contracycle has been repeatedly demonstrated to be wrong on every account, including the timeframe and context for the authorship of genesis, and the existance of another story that is precisely the same. evidence as to the CONTEMPORAY academic opinion (josephus and the talmud) has been shown.contracycle is not willing to debate in good faith, nor demonstrate any evidence of his own. he just wants to harass, and deny popular opinion and evidence even exists.you have LOST this debate. game over. no more. accept it, and move on. and stop bothering me about it.

Please simply drop it. This is a closed issue. If you wish to carry it forward start a PNT process.

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