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Brad McFall
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Message 241 of 300 (185964)
02-16-2005 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by berberry
02-14-2005 12:54 PM


Re: yes that was granddad, sorry to bother
just for fun-the color yellow - and some of Stan's mail.One stamp has too many things in it.

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Brad McFall
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Message 242 of 300 (190833)
03-09-2005 8:01 PM
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02-16-2005 5:53 PM


Re: yes that was granddad, sorry to bother
Kant wrote80 Critique of Judgement here it is permissible for the archeologist of nature to derive from the surviving traces of its oldest revolutions,according to all its mechanism known supposed by him, that great family of creatures (for so we must represent them if the said throughgoing relationship is to have any ground). He can suppose the bosom of mother earth, as she passed out of her chaotic state (like a great animals), to have given birth in the beginning to creatures OF LESS PURPOSIVE FORM(CAPS ADDEDBY BSM).
Agassiz was about establishing As far as the primary divisions of animals are concerned and the nature of the medium to which they are adapted does not interfere, representatives of the four great branches of the animal kingdom are everywhere found together. Essay on Classification
If this picture contains a view of this bosom in the same truth it can not be that Mayr’s reference to Kant’s purposiveness in the grass near this ground is univocal. The translator of Kant noticed that Kant’s notion went back to his paper that had actually really influenced me scientifically
This principle, that for our intellect the conception of an organized body is impossible except by the aid of the idea of design, is frequently insisted on by Kant. Professor Wallace points out(Kant, p110) that, as far back as 1755, in his General Physiogony and Theory of the Heavens, Kant classed the origin of aninmals and plants with the secrets of Providence and the mystical number 666 as one of the topics on which ingenuity and thought are occasionally wasted.
and thus some how in the past few hundred years of discovery we have reduced the solar system thickness to the place of less than a cubic centimeter for the direction to the LESS PURPOSIVE FORM.
It will not be until we succeed in showing how to extract information from DNA sequences to the same effect that the time shall come that we can put Mayr’s review behind us. It may be that we already DID know that macrothermodyanmics was the teleomatic behind the failure to appreciate the Newtonian in Kant but conceptually it appears to be caused by a failure to have a human science of the MORE PURPOSIVE FORMATIONS. This would be ecosystem engineering of increases in biomass productivity REPLACING agriculture as man’s primary means of survival in which Mother’s bosom either that shown or some other, is now ALL OF MOTHER earth for any teleology.
Mayr thought of Kant like this 1968.
quote:
Yet, as in so many other cases, Kant was more perceptive than his critics. He clearly saw two points; first, that no explanation of nature is complete that cannot account for the seeming purposiveness of much of the development and behavior of living organisms and second, the purely mechanical explanations available at his time were quite insufficient to explain teleological phenomena. Unfortunately, he subscribed to prevailing dogma of his period that the only legitimate explanations are purely mechanical (Newtonian) ones which left him without any explanation for all teleological phenomena. He therefore concluded that the true explanation was out of reach and that the most practical approach to the study of organisms was to deal with them as if they were designed.
What Mayr failed to notice was that the 2nd law thermo in macrothermodyanmics can meld the program’ and Kantian mechanical nonalternative such that the variance of his idea of the relation of teleology and teleonomics as to De Beer’s need not exist.
DeBeer wrote in 1972 Colin S. Pittendrigh to facilitate discussion of this all important topic reserving the word teleological for cases involving final causes, where the idea of the end preceded the use of the means, and the world teleonomic for cases where the results of blind chance produce a structure or a function which perform some purpose useful to their possessor, but was never forseen
The exemplar that can distance the reading of Mayr’s Kant beyond his Darwin removed the roadblock of design, and modern genetics introducd the concept of the genetic program. Between these two major advances teleology has now acquired an entirely new face. Is the programmatic extension of the suboptimal program extension of optimal programs optimal matching not of ONE base pair but by a whole volume under Gibb’s minimization obeying Gladyshev’s law.
in Biological Sequence Analysis page 276 by Durbin et al Suboptimal RNA folding The original Zucker algorithm finds only the optimal structure. The biologically correct strucutre is often not the calculated optima strucuture...One matrix (exactly the the CYK algorithm) finds the deltaG...then traces back in both the inside and outside matrices to find..The rest of the structure is the optimal structure given that base pair. SCFG versions of RNA folding algorithms can also sample structures according to their likelhood by a probabilistic traceback of the inside matrix, analogous to the way in which suboptimal profile HMM alignments were sampled from a forward matrix in Chapter 6."
Regardless, Macrothermodyanimcs if it itself WORKS by thermal contact CAN GIVE comfort to vitalists contra Mayr’s scholarship so if that was the reason he decided to differ from De Beer of De Beer from him it is irrelevant in the case of the impossibility OF DESIGN from educating a man into the Newton of a blade of grass. The again, WHY this happened in biology in the late 60s and early 70s appears possibly due to Waddington’s relation of language to theoretical biology on the study of RNA etc AND the growing body of linguistics of Chomsky’s hierarchy under definition of Woodger’s phenotype and environmental sets. The NEW’’ face was actually BIBLICAL CREATIONISM but it will take some time reading Kant into EVC discussions to make this clear.
Mayr had concluded his scholarship in 9 points
quote:
1)The use of so-called teleological language by biologists is legitimate ; it implies neither a rejection of physciochemcial explanation nor a noncausal explanation.
2) The terms teleology and teleological have been applied to highly diverse phenomena. I have made an attempt to group these phenomena into more or less homongenous classes.
3)It is illegitimate to describe evolutionary processes or trends as goal directed(teleological). Selection rewards past phenomena(mutation, recombination, etc) but does not plan for the future, at least not in any specific way.
4)Processes(behavior) whose goal directedness is controlled by a program may be referred to as teleonomic.
5)Processes that reach an end state caused by natural laws (e.g. gravity, second law of thermodynamics) but not by a program may be designated teleomatic
6)Programs are in part or entirely the product of natural selection.
7)The question of the legitimacy of applying the term teleological to stationary functional or adaptive systems requires further analysis.
8)Teleonomic(i.e. programmed) behavior occurs only in organisms(and man made machines) and constitutes a clear-cut difference between the levels of complexity in living and in inanimate nature.
9)Teleonomic explanations are strictly causal and mechanistic. They gie no comfort to adherents of vitalistic concepts.
From pages 402 etc of Teleological and Teleonomic:A New Analysis written in ‘68 by EMayr reproduced in Evolution and the Diversity of Life Selected Essays 1976 Harvard Press.
All that is required is a clearer rewriting of Gladyshev’s work in terms of an intellectual taste in Kant’s The analogy of forms, which with all hteir differences seem to have been produced according to a common original type, strengthens our suspicions else consult the original. I already KNOW by personal experience with the decessed that he was overly sensitive to call ANY maths typological even WHILE the population thinking was not included!!!! What was illegit were my children not any representation of their biology! Mayr made the mistake of refusing to the genetic program analyticity BEHID directions for students of biological teleology for man’s benefit. It may be because elite philosophers rejected Kant’s synthetic apirori or it might be and/or due to emphasis on functionalisms as it obvious that Mayr was working in categories , sturcutrefunction and behavior. Some historical things can be more easily determined by asking the participants than attempting an independent reproduction of the events.
Enough mutations uttered without performative?
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Ben!
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Message 243 of 300 (199146)
04-14-2005 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Brad McFall
01-28-2005 10:08 AM


Re: Iconic Language
I would probably prefer to work on abstracting panbiogeography with hyperlinks (wikizize it)before I attempted to do some interface for my own cognitions.
Brad, every time I read your posts, this is exactly how I think. You would be well-served to wikizize everything you do. Your language is purposefully dense, and that is exactly what wiki's are for--to decompose dense language as needed.
In this sense, you're one of the most "dense" people I know. Your posts all contain so much content already, you're really already producing the content necessary for a wiki. You just need to install the software and put the information there, then add the cross-linking code.
If you really want to be read in this forum (and I know you do), I would seriously suggest doing it. If I had a wiki to reference for how you use Kant, Gladyshev, Maxwell, Russel, QM, etc. then the cost for understanding you would decrease quite a bit. As it is I'm halfway there for some names, and nowhere for the others.
Peace brotha.

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Brad McFall
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Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
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Message 244 of 300 (199169)
04-14-2005 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by Ben!
04-14-2005 4:42 AM


Re: Iconic Language
Yes indeed, you are correct.
I wrote that when I didnt know the difference between an abstract class and an interface. Object Oriented Programming is not much of a mystery for me any more.
I agree it would be helpful and it would also enable me to start to collect my scattered remarks that are just as misplaced in my apartment as they are on the web.
Ill see what I might do but my brother wants me to set up a half dozen links to web sites for each subchapter heading in a college biology text WITH QUESTIONS, so I will be busy through the summer on that. Maybe after this, I can start to use some of my time on my own stuff.
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Monk
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Message 245 of 300 (199495)
04-14-2005 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Brad McFall
04-14-2005 6:54 AM


Re: Iconic Language
Hi Brad,
You and Ptolemy seem to speak the same language. Why don't you cross swords with him. It might fun for the rest of us to watch.
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Brad McFall
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Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
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Message 246 of 300 (199498)
04-14-2005 11:54 PM
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04-14-2005 11:26 PM


Re: Iconic Language
On a first pass it seems that P might be referring to
(Newton's OPTICKS)
quote:
These things I consider, not as occult Qualitites supposed to result from specifick Forms of Things, but as general Laws of Nature, by which...And the Aristotelians gave the Name...To tell us that every Species of Things is endow'd with an occult specifik Quality by which it acts and produces manifest Effects, is to tell us nothing: But to derive two or three general Principles of Motion from Phaenomena, and afterwards to tell us how the Properties and Actions of all corporeal Things follow...Now by the help of these Principles, all material Things sem to have been composed of the hard and solid Particles above-mentioned, variously associated in the first Creation by the Counsel of an intelligent Agent. For it became him who created them to set them in order...And so must the Uniformity in the Bodies of Animals, they having generally a right and a left side shaped alike, and on either side of their Bodies two legs behind,...it may be allowed that God is able to create Particles of Matter of several Sizes and Figures, and in serveral Proportions to Space, and perhaps of different Densities and Forces, and thereby to vary the Laws of Nature, and make Worlds of several sorts in several Parts of the Universe. At least, I see nothing of Contradiction in all this.
Book Three Part 1
If I have a few free moments to test this idea in Pto's post from Kant's reference to PRIOR Greek thought, I might pull out from the sheath later my electronic pen again.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 247 of 300 (199501)
04-15-2005 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Brad McFall
04-14-2005 11:54 PM


Re: Iconic Language
If I have a few free moments to test this idea in Pto's post from Kant's reference to PRIOR Greek thought, I might pull out from the sheath later my electronic pen again.
Hey Brad, I thank you for trying to make your posts more readable. But I think that every time you start to get in to the longer writings you are reverting back to your odd mumblings, So here is what I propose, take the above sentence and try to explain what you mean as simply as possible. Act as though you are talking to a child or someone that doesn't speak much English.

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berberry
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Message 248 of 300 (199508)
04-15-2005 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by Brad McFall
02-16-2005 5:53 PM


Re: yes that was granddad, sorry to bother
I don't know why I didn't respond to this before Brad; sorry, I must have got caught up in something else. There are some fascinating stamps in that collection. Your granddad was obviously a collector; are you? Are those your stamps?
quote:
One stamp has too many things in it.
I suppose you mean the one immediately to the right of the words "Animals on Stamps"? The one with a red background that appears to show a queen and a raccoon, among other things?

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Brad McFall
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From: Ithaca,NY, USA
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Message 249 of 300 (199646)
04-15-2005 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by berberry
04-15-2005 2:57 AM


Re: yes that was granddad, sorry to bother
Not only was he a collector,
his collection was everything to him. He had thousands of them.
His main focus was to ensure that the species were correctly id'd and because of that ( he had Ernst Mayr ID some bird stamps from Paupa New Guinea etc) he had to move them around a bit
and never cared much that he had hindged their backs,so after his death
the family not appreciating WHAT AND WHY he did this all the time, thought they were worth more. He was the main guy for
index
for many years. Here is an original preprint copy of a biophilately page before it became electronic as available above.
After he retired from being this main man he started to build a museum with actual specimens rather than just stamps. This he did as I became a teenager and I was able to see clearly the difference of this fish tail and snake tails

from his work. But the depth of this vision only goes so far as comparing that sheep overprint above to this AZTEC statue
I have not become much of a collector. I ran a 4-H stamp club as a teenager as well as the herpetology club. I have been intending to pick up on the last stamp I collected as I wrote to ICR claming that the placement of stamps on pages amounted to the identification of a baramin but I havent foudn the time to do it. Here are some stamps that came on the outside from the SOVIET PHILATELIC ASSOCATION in the30s.
yes B, that IS the stamp that had too much figure for the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message 250 of 300 (199649)
04-15-2005 7:07 PM
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04-15-2005 6:31 PM


Re: yes that was granddad, sorry to bother
Your grandfather was quite an important man. Until now I had not heard of bio-philately. It seems very interesting. Thanks for all the examples; I've enjoyed looking at them. I particularly liked the Japanese sheep's-head stamps.

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Message 251 of 300 (205095)
05-04-2005 10:02 PM


Here is something that has been bothering me for a while. Just not a few months ago, Brad was the EvC's counterpart for the oracle of delphi. Now, he doesn't shout out nonsensical phrases anymore.
Does Brad have seasonal multiple personality disorder?

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Brad McFall
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Message 252 of 300 (205105)
05-04-2005 10:31 PM
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05-04-2005 10:02 PM


page from Stan's CRYPT
no, but please dont sterilize me prematurely.

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Brad McFall
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Message 253 of 300 (205708)
05-06-2005 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by berberry
04-15-2005 7:07 PM


Re:looking at this was worth more than a feynman stamp
I can not tell the difference between the legal page of mine and Gingerich's page 227!!!!!!!The same thing was happening in Marxism across the globe?
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Message 254 of 300 (206349)
05-09-2005 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Nighttrain
08-11-2004 4:36 AM


Brad's poetry
Nighttrain posts Brad's poem:
quote:
HESTER WAS AHIPPO WITH A FIGURE MOST CONVENTIONAL,
BUT HER CONVENTIONALITY WAS PURELY UNINTENTIONAL.
SHE LONGED TO BE THE LOVELESIT OF ALL THE HIPPOPOTMI
FROM CENTRAL TANGANYIKA TO THE PLAINS OF OSSAWATOMIE.
SHE DREAMED OF CUTTING DOWN HER GIRTH TO FORM A FIGURE CLASSY,
THE ENVY OF THE HIPPO CLAN FROM MAINE TO TALLAHASSE.
HER SECRET DREAM, SHE WOULD ADMIT, IF ANYONE SHOULD ASK HER:
TO BE THE HIPPO BEAUTY QUEEN FROM SPAIN TO MADAGASCAR.
SHE SOAKED IN EVERY WATERHOLE FOR MILES IN EACH DIRECTION,
IN VAIN, FOR EVEN MUD-BATHS FAILED TO ALTER HER COMPELXION.
AND THOUGH SHE DIETED FOR MONTHS, HER SHAPE WAS SIMPLY FEARFUL,
SO HESTER'S DISPOSITION SOON WAS ANYTHING BUT CHEERFUL.
HER CORPULENCE PRODUCED A CHANGE IN HESTER'S PERSONALITY.
HER LONGING FOR A GREAT DEAL LESS EXCESS CORPOREALITY
LED TO A SENSITIVITY ABOUT HER ADIPOSITY
WHICH CAUSED AMONG HER FRIENDS NO END OF ANIMOSITY.
TO HASTEN THROUGH A STORY WHICH MIGHT THREATEN TO BE ENDLESS,
IT WASNT LONG TILL HESTER FOUND HERSELF COMPLETELY FREINDLESS,
TILL ONE DAY, IN A FIT OF MELANCHOLY INTROSPECTION
SHE FLOATED OVER STANLEY FALLS RIGHT IN THE HIGEST SECTION.
THE NEXT DAY, BITS OF HESTER FLOATED UP AND DOWN THE CONGO
FROM BONGA TO BASOKO AND FROM KINDU TO KASONGO.
THE MORAL SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO ALL WHO WISH TO HEED IT.
IF YOU MISSED THE POINT, MAY I SUGGEST YOU RE-READ IT.
DO NOT COMPLAIN; BE SATISFIED WITH WHAT THE GOOD LORD GAVE YOU,
FOR WHEN YOU FEEL AS HESTER DID, THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN SAVE YOU.
IF FROM THE FATE OF HESTER MET YOU WISH TO BE PROTECTED
DON'T LET YOUR THOUGHTS GET MORBID, OR YOU MAY BE VIVISECTED.
AND NOW, UPON THIS HAPPY NOTE POOR HESTER'S TALE IS ENDED.
IF YOU DON'T NEED THIS GOOD ADVISE, YOUR COMMON SENSE IS SPLENDID.
I love it! Absolutely love it! It's hilarious and at the same time it has a good moral. I had no idea Brad was a poet.
I've followed this thread ever since Lam started it, but somehow I missed this post. I'm glad I took the time to do another read-through.

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Tony650
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Message 255 of 300 (206358)
05-09-2005 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by berberry
05-09-2005 3:25 AM


Re: Brad's poetry
Brilliant!
I'm...stunned! Somehow I missed this, too. But damn! Brad: The man of mystifying messages, the man of perplexing posts, the man...ok...sorry.
The point is who'd have guessed? Here's the guy whose words so frequently go over our heads and after all this time we find out that he's quite the lucid poet! Who'da thunk it? Maybe Brad should speak in poems all the time; we might understand him better.
Good stuff, Brad! I'm impressed! If you have more I'd love to see them.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, berberry.

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