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Syamsu  Suspended Member (Idle past 5610 days) Posts: 1914 From: amsterdam Joined: |
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5840 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Hahahahahahahhaha. Still in top form I see. Did you read the article?
It was not WMDs and it certainly wasn't what was under discussion by Bush. This was material and equipment we knew about and were monitoring. The argument was for the vast "unknown" wmds, which later turned into wmd related program activities, which later turned into nothing, which now appear to be turning into the known chemicals and equipment under observation? Oh yeah, did you miss the part where our invasion actually put more of this into unknown people's hands when we failed to secure them as the UN monitoring group suggested?
that was only 1 reason we went to war against Saddam. That wasn't what I was asking about, just the wmd claim that they'd be revealed any moment. But yes there are still threads you have disappeared from waiting for your replies on those other pipedream reasons. You don't have to bother with them though. I just wanted to needle you on the wmd promise. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: Aren't Islamic extremists already doing this? Burning effigies of our leaders, burning flags, calling christians the agents of satan, etc.?
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StormWolfx2x Inactive Member |
"One thing that might break them? Drop money on them. Money and the tools of the Great Satan system of the west. They would in theory implode."
I know you make this as a joke, but what would the real effects of this be??Not to say we should just drop money on them, but what if the US expanded aid and public relation efforts to Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at it from a not militant citizen’s viewpoint. What if the troops that your leaders have demonized suddenly are giving your food, rebuilding your child's school, giving you materials to make a new Masque, providing your religious leaders (non-militant ones) with Qur'ans to pass out to his followers , giving toys to your children, and giving you medicine to cure your family's sicknesses. It still wouldn't convince the hardcore fundis, but would providing more for the average Iraqi (I’m sure the majority of them are not actively trying to kill us) help to sway them into supporting us more than supporting the Iraqi resistance? Once public favor turned to our favor, most of our military’s problems would be solved.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
It does make sense, does it not? I think that the REAL reason that we are at war is because 2% of the worlds population which owns or controls 90% of everything was threatened economically. We have spent over one hundred billion dollars on this war so far. If we had spent 50 billion dollars in foreign aid...giving away material goods instead of handing money over to potentially crooked leaders...who knows what type of good will would have been generated?
Ironic how we worry about Social Security domestically. Being at war is quite an insecure thing in and of itself, don't you think? And the bottem line is this: There are as many if not more potential terrorists out there.
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StormWolfx2x Inactive Member |
I think the REAL reason we went to war was because, like you said the US feels threatened, but I would say its not entirely economicly based.
heres something to think about first understand that power is interconnected and one type of power can and often does lead to other types of power. 1. the US is losing or has lost its vast economic advantage on the post WW2 world, both because other countries have rebuilt the infrostucture and the US is turning into a white-collar society.2. the US lost its huge worldwide political advantage with the collaspe of the USSR. 3. the US still has a huge Military advantage over the rest of the world, but American society with no apparent enimies (communists, nazis etc.) cannot see why we should continue to spend vast ammounts to maintain said military. 4. Our strong military is really the only thing that keeps American society, and to a lesser extent western culture, on top, so American leaders saw it fit to create a war in order to maintin our military stregth. its late and Im tired, so im cannot finish all my thoughts, but just a fyi I plan on editing this later, plz keep that in mind if you respond to me.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: quote: quote: This message has been edited by contracycle, 04-14-2005 06:01 AM
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Syamsu  Suspended Member (Idle past 5610 days) Posts: 1914 From: amsterdam Joined: |
It's not the same thing. Those things are only to whip up anger amongst their own, not even aimed at demoralizing the West.
But I think there's a lot of propaganda of Islamic extremists aimed at the West about the war being for oil, or any other thing, and that it wasn't really about removing a proven dangerous dictator, who became more of a threat because of the 911 terrorist attack. That propaganda has been very effective in demoralizing the West I would say. Actually the countries that opposed the war did so for blatant economic selfinterest, like Russia and France, who both had, oh what a coincedence, strong economic ties with Iraq. regards,Mohammad Nor Syamsu
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Tal Member (Idle past 5697 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the REAL reason we went to war was because, like you said the US feels threatened, but I would say its not entirely economicly based. Not feels threatened.....IS threatened and has been repeatedly attacked both at home and in multiple countries with promises of more from the bad guys. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: What's to stop Islamic extremists from saying the same thing if the West uses violent propoganda?
quote: The majority of the POPULACE in those countries were against the war and they never saw one red cent of any monies.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: You ARE the bad guys. The villains. The Black Hats. The evildoers.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
a proven dangerous dictator, who became more of a threat because of the 911 terrorist attack. In what way? TTFN, WK
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Tal Member (Idle past 5697 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
You ARE the bad guys. The villains. The Black Hats. The evildoers.
Feel free to point a weapon in my general direction. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: "Threatened?" Hardly. Iraq has the second largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It was greed and protectionism, nothing less.
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Iraq didn't attack the US. Osama bin Laden did, remember?
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IANAT Inactive Member |
Repeatedly over years since WTC attack, American "intelligence" was duped. Isn't it quite possible that your President, whom many of Americans call 'idiot', and his many advisors was also duped by some clever Arabs who saw advantage by removing Saddam by creating a convincing case of weapons of mass destruction?
Or, isn't is quite possible that the use of oil revenue by Saddam and friendly European traders to fund military power in Iraq and other countries was an eventual threat to Israel and of bringing USA into a war that would bring massive causualites of life and business to Americans? Of course the reasons for war are power and money. In sports there is the saying "the best offense is a good defense". That is true in power as well.
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