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Author Topic:   Organized Religion & personal Spirituality
Phat
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Message 89 of 130 (198472)
04-12-2005 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by StormWolfx2x
04-12-2005 5:13 AM


Re: Back To The Opening Topic...
Sure,buddy...except that you and I disagree BIG time on God being a human invention. While you are suggesting that Man imagined God, I will staunchly maintain and defend that God created us and foreknew all of us way way before we were even capable of imagining Him.
I have witnessed the supernatural in action, and I have been at countless Bible studies and both formal and informal times where the presence of God was known. You won't convince me that God is merely an invention of the human mind. I like and respect human achievment, but I will never humanize the Creator while lifting up human wisdom.

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Phat
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Message 92 of 130 (198493)
04-12-2005 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by contracycle
04-12-2005 6:58 AM


Re: Focus Factors
Good point. I was just trying to get our focus back to spirituality on a personal level rather than on a national, theocratic level.
It is true that both are linked, however. Organized Religion all to often has a political agenda.
We have seen how American fundies backed the current administration on the pretext of morality when the actual need was patriotism and preservation of wealth. My intent is to keep the argument focus on an individual perspective rather than a political call to arms.
One question, however:
Does anyone think that Islamic fundamentalism is intrinsically less linked to Capitalism than is American Fundamentalism?
As a side note, I see a debate simmering inside of you in regards to corporate responsibility vs individual accountability. It is hopeless to bring back the thread with arachnophilia...I reviewed the banter...but I can empathise with you in regards to our thread here.
The issue is linked. You have talked before of the need for a national consciousness. It is as close to spirituality as you get, yet I can feel the passion from an atheist such as you, Contra.
I am trying to understand.
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Phat
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Message 113 of 130 (199164)
04-14-2005 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by IANAT
04-06-2005 12:49 PM


Theocratic possibilities
IANAT writes:
It is my opinion the problem with western society, is this notion of "separation of church and state." This has turned into the situation where religion adjusts to the state, instead of vice versa. This is why Islamic states do not favor this arrangement of separation. Islam is a way of life, as the quote above states. It encompasses all, including state affairs. I believe Iraq democracy will initially start western but move to an Islamic state. We can live in peace together.
So you believe that the western democracies should be theocratic?
And do you really think that there will be peace? What possible scenarios could prevent peace? By peace, I mean spiritually as well.

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Message 130 of 130 (199710)
04-16-2005 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by nator
04-15-2005 6:21 PM


Salvage Topic IF Possible
Wow! The original title of this Thread was about Organized Religion--not random chaos. As for personal spirituality, the members within this post have done anything BUT express anything spiritual.
Alas...I must close the post that I started.

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