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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 135 (191200)
03-12-2005 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Syamsu
03-12-2005 11:35 AM


The effects of such propaganda should be to break the terrorist down mentally, and to overwork the terrorist organization in dealing with the propaganda.
The effect of the action you describe would be to enrage otherwise sympathetic Muslims, and to overwork the terrorist organizations with the flood of new recruits you would generate.
You'd be confirming the worst things that the jihadists say about the cultures of the West. You'd be rising (sinking?) to their expectations.

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crashfrog
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Message 9 of 135 (191327)
03-13-2005 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Syamsu
03-13-2005 7:22 AM


Would it be some horrendous crime if some country did put stuff like that on the airwaves, with the intent of demoralizing the people?
We wouldn't be demoralized; we'd be moralized. We'd be out in the streets calling for a third and fourth term for W.
The difference is that these muslim fundamentalists are hypersensitive to such propaganda in my estimation.
So hypersensitive, in fact, that it would turn them into terrorists.
I think all of you need to explain a bit about your ethics, why the military can use guns and bombs, but can't use words and pictures as weapons.
You don't seem to have understood a single objection leveled against your plan, which is weird because every single one of us in this thread are telling you the same thing. Maybe I can make it simpler for you.
It's completely appropriate for the military to employ words and pictures - it's called "propaganda", btw - and they do, already. But the specific propaganda you propose would make more terrorists. It would make more people want to attack the US. In essence this is the "weapon" you propose the US start using:

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crashfrog
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Message 20 of 135 (191596)
03-15-2005 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Syamsu
03-14-2005 11:43 PM


Re: hm
I already covered that possibility in post 1, I think you are likely wrong about it.
For what reason? As you pointed out, when Theo Van Gogh drew verses from the Koran on a woman's naked body, somebody stabbed a manifesto into his chest about 30 times.
I'd say that's a pretty graphic foreshadow of the effects your plan would have on the Muslim world. They wouldn't be demoralized; they'd be galvanized. They wouldn't dispair; they'd be buoyed on righteous outrage. The West would reap a whirlwind of destruction if your plan was implemented.
You're doing to have to do better wth a rebuttal than "I think you're wrong."

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crashfrog
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Message 47 of 135 (199753)
04-16-2005 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by IANAT
04-16-2005 10:56 AM


Saddam was thumbing his nose at America.
In what way?

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crashfrog
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Message 131 of 135 (205660)
05-06-2005 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Tal
05-06-2005 9:58 AM


Syrian President Bashar Assad is hiding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in three locations in Syria, according to intelligence sources cited by an exiled opposition party.
The weapons were smuggled in large wooden crates and barrels by Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, known for moving arms into Iraq in violation of U.N. resolutions and for sending recruits to fight coalition forces, said the U.S.-based Reform Party of Syria.
Congratulations, government geniuses. Wasn't this why we went to war? To keep Iraq from handing out WMD's to terrorist organizations and other rogue states?
Oh, what a surprise. Like most of the administration's policies the result was exactly what they set out to prevent. It's like Midas in reverse. Everything they touch turns to shit.
Now I can sit here, jump up and down on my soapbox, and say, "I'm right, your wrong, sit and spin."
That's always what it's about for you people, isn't it? Fuck the real-world consequences, as long as you can stick it to some hippie liberal. Of course, the joke's on you - this is exactly what we said would happen before the war - that going to war would put more WMD's in the hands of terrorists, not less. So, spin away. You've earned it.
Congratu-fuckin'-lations. What is it going to take, out of curiosity, to get you and your ilk to begin taking the War on Terror and our nation's security seriously? This isn't fun and games time. This isn't Open-Phones day on Rush Limbaugh. These are people's lives. And people like you are putting them at risk just so that you can play pundit on the "internets".

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crashfrog
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Message 132 of 135 (205664)
05-06-2005 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Tal
05-06-2005 1:18 PM


Do I need to remind you that was EVERYBODY's intel, not just ours. Do I need to break out the quotes from Ted, John, Nanci, and Bill?
No offense, but if our hearalded "intel" couldn't tell us something that I heard from the greasy hippies on my street corner, all our "intel" isn't worth two shits.
Don't give me that crap about "the best knowledge we had at the time." That wasn't the best knowledge. How do I know that? Because they were fuckin' wrong!There's no excuse for that failure, and far too many people failed for it to be coincidental stupidity.
C'mon. That doesn't pass the smell test. Our intel guys are good, we recruit the best and we pay them a lot of money. If they were that wrong it was on purpose. And whose purpose? Well, who had the most to gain? Look it doesn't take a genius. It just takes a willingness to look at the facts, and moreover, to stop treating this stuff like some kind of game. Our lives are at risk. When is that going to dawn on people like you?

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