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mikehager Member (Idle past 6466 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
Time will tell? I would say that it already has, for the reasons Crash gave.
I'm not talking about "taking everybody's word for everything." Good grief. It certainly sounded like you were. Not doing so was, I think you said, "stupid and inhumane". Or perhaps you only take the word of people that agree with you. Would you believe that some animist somewhere who had expierences like you describe and explained it in a manner contrary to your christian mythology? No, you would say that person was decieved and that it was a demon, a servant of Lucifer, cast out of heaven for the sin of rebellion. At least from your writings I guess that would be your take on it. So, assuming my assesment is accurate, why are you right and he wrong?
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Someone once said to me:
Know that all things are possible by Faith. Obviously you don't have much faith in God.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You know I was talking about research psycholcogy, right? Like, scientists trying to figure out how the brain works.
Yes, of course, but there is a tendency in that frame of reference to equate the mind with the brain, and that is the physicalized *philosophy* I object to.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Always a strange experience to see how people misread things I say, but I guess there's nothing I can do about it, having tried pretty hard so far and found it futile.
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mikehager Member (Idle past 6466 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
In what way have I misread you? Would you not impose a christian world view on the situation I described?
Also, if people are often misunderstand you, consider looking at how you present your ideas.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: Faith in Jesus Christ, I hope you mean, not faith in anything else. Nobody can get to know God at all without faith in Him, starting with simple belief that His word is the truth. Those who find fault with it don't know what they are doing to themselves. They are making it impossible to know God even while thinking they are getting to know him.
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mikehager Member (Idle past 6466 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
And someone once said to me, "You better be a good boy or Santa won't leave your presents." Do you believe everything people tell you?
Obviously you don't have much faith in God. Of course I don't. Why should I? It's just another fairy tale, like all the others.
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mikehager Member (Idle past 6466 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
...starting with simple belief that His word is the truth Perhaps you can tell us why you would believe this?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: Ah the blind Dogma of the Unbeliever. Amazing how they project such thought patterns onto others and don't see them in themselves.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: Well, such a question can hardly get at it, I'm afraid. There are many reasons. It has the ring of truth. The authors are believable. The testimony of believers is convincing. The great writers/thinkers/doers of Christianity are convincing. My faith in it has only grown with time and experience of it. If you approach it with faith you discover a consistency in it that is apparently lost on those who pick it apart, and the more you learn the more astonishing is the consistency it exhibits. If you approach it with faith in the God who inspired it, it yields enormous riches that are indescribable. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-18-2005 12:34 PM This message has been edited by Faith, 04-18-2005 12:36 PM
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mikehager Member (Idle past 6466 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
It has the ring of truth. Not for the billons of people who have heard of it but not believed it. You are the one so hyped on taking subjective experience as evidence. Are you discounting all those people?
If you approach it with faith you discover a consistency in it that is apparently lost on those who pick it apart and the more you learn the more astonishing is the consistency it exhibits. If you approach it with faith in the God who inspired it, it yields enormous riches that are indescribable. If one must already believe in it for the evidence to be compelling, the evidence must not be all that good.
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mikehager Member (Idle past 6466 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
Ah the blind Dogma of the Unbeliever. Amazing how they project such thought patterns onto others and don't see them in themselves. It is hardly dogmatic. It is the result of long research into mythology and acceptance of science. This is a common theistic claim, that non belief is as dogmatic as belief. This can be true, but often is not. The problem is that many theists are so accustomed to operating by dogma that they assume others must do so also and that simply isn't so.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: Yup. I said nothing that suggests I believe everything people say. You've read that into my posts.
quote: I think it was Tertullian who said "I know because I believe." Or maybe Athanasius. That's the way it is with the Bible. It contradicts the wisdom of the world which among other things says one must have a certain kind of evidence to know anything. God's wisdom is "foolishness" to the natural man, as it says.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
That's the way it is with the Bible. It contradicts the wisdom of the world which among other things says one must have a certain kind of evidence to know anything. God's wisdom is "foolishness" to the natural man, as it says. Which is exactly what you would say if you were trying to get adults to swallow fairy tales that wouldn't convince a child. "Oh, this doesn't make sense to you? Oh, that's because you don't believe in it yet." Personally I've never been too impressed by a system of belief that only holds up so long as you never actually put it to the test.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: Not so. It's a straight assessment of how you guys talk, in flat dogmatic pronouncements. And that "long research" has done nothing but confirm what you started out believing, begging the question.
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