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Author Topic:   Existence of Demons (and Angels)
crashfrog
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Message 166 of 303 (200180)
04-18-2005 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:05 PM


Re: I am rubber and you are glue
You don't get it. I don't HAVE any uncertainty.
I know you don't. You're so scared to death at the idea of uncertainty that you'd rather believe in lies absolutely, than have tentative ideas about how things really are.
Same as you don't have any about the things in your own life that are closest to you that you can't prove.
No, I do have uncertainty about those things. Not everybody's like you, Faith. We're not all so absolutely, quiveringly terrified of uncertainty that we'll do anything to not have any.
I can live with uncertainty. What's your problem?

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Faith 
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Message 167 of 303 (200184)
04-18-2005 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by crashfrog
04-18-2005 3:58 PM


Re: I am rubber and you are glue
quote:
Are you prepared to disbelieve the whole web of memories you have of communications with people over your life, family, friends?
Yes. Does that shock you?
Not really, depressing though. The view that is held about what science is on this site, evidence and so on, has been showing itself to approach insanity for some time now.

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crashfrog
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Message 168 of 303 (200185)
04-18-2005 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:19 PM


The view that is held about what science is on this site, evidence and so on, has been showing itself to approach insanity for some time now.
Insanity = not agreeing with Faith on every single issue.

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Faith 
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Message 169 of 303 (200186)
04-18-2005 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by crashfrog
04-18-2005 4:20 PM


quote:
Insanity = not agreeing with Faith on every single issue.
That's a good working definition. It will do for now.

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crashfrog
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Message 170 of 303 (200188)
04-18-2005 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:25 PM


Heh! Well, why not.

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nator
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Message 171 of 303 (200196)
04-18-2005 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Faith
04-18-2005 3:04 PM


Re: Demon stories
quote:
Hm, another victim of the secularist educational nightmare.
If knowledge and learning must be avoided to maintain a faith, is it a faith worthy of having?

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mikehager
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Message 172 of 303 (200201)
04-18-2005 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:04 PM


Re: I am rubber and you are glue
Wrong. My closest relationship is to my girlfriend. Want to meet her?
Yours is to your idea of god. Where exactly is he?

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Trump won 
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Message 173 of 303 (200254)
04-18-2005 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by nator
04-18-2005 8:56 AM


Re: Demon stories
quote:
Do you think that people who regularly see things that other people can't see and hear voices that other people can't hear are generally 100% sane?
I don't know if what you're missing is demons but you're missing the experience because this God is in everything. That is a tragedy. What makes your perception any more realer than his? Any "saner" than his?
At some point you may see that none of this matters, that your logic doesnt't matter, that our science doesn't matter.
God cannot be defined or described by his creations, he cerated us with limited mobility of the mind and it is frustrating. The only thing he let us "see" is that he exists. God doesn't see, God doesn't do, feel whatever. When they said YHWH they had the right idea because we can't know his name, he doesn't have a name.

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mikehager
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Message 174 of 303 (200268)
04-19-2005 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Trump won
04-18-2005 11:01 PM


Re: Demon stories
What makes your perception any more realer than his?
Nothing. Faith's perceptions are just as real to him ot her as mine are to me. The difference is I don't think my perceptions superior to the facts about reality that can be ascertained by scientific rationalism. Faith and you can believe what you want as strongly as you want, but when a claim of fact is made, we need more then subjective impressions.

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Specter
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Message 175 of 303 (200324)
04-19-2005 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by mikehager
04-18-2005 3:53 PM


That's What Happens When You Wash The Dog.
Actually, I think I'll post that new thread.
It will make or lives more interesting.

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Specter
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Message 176 of 303 (200325)
04-19-2005 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by mikehager
04-18-2005 2:22 PM


The Dogma is Real
You said recently:
mike hagar writes:
That is not the case. I started out christian and it was the interest in mythology, the "long research" that showed me the error in my thinking.
The pronouncements may sound dogmatic to someone who operates on that basis continually, but that is not the case.
Do you know how easy it is to be a believer. Do you realize it is a actually harder to dent the power of Christ than to accept it?
Yes, your scheme sounds dogmatic. Why? Because, to me, the Bible is not a fairy tale like the rest of the books of mythological importance. I think the Bible talks to me, and I talk back to it through my life.
edit quote by PB
This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-19-2005 06:51 AM

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CK
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Message 177 of 303 (200332)
04-19-2005 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Specter
04-19-2005 9:45 AM


Re: The Dogma is Real
quote:
Do you realize it is a actually harder to dent the power of Christ than to accept it?
I know what you mean - when I was a christian I was faced with continuing with a nice,comforting fantasy or confronting a hard cold world.
This message has been edited by General Krull, 19-Apr-2005 09:02 AM

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Specter
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Message 178 of 303 (200334)
04-19-2005 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by CK
04-19-2005 10:01 AM


Re: The Dogma is Real
Well, If the gospel of christ is a pacific, comforting reverie, tell me why Jesus says that all who love the gospel will suffer persecution?
Are you my persecutor?

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Specter
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Message 179 of 303 (200335)
04-19-2005 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:25 PM


Here is your new thread.
heres the new thread.
EvC Forum: By Faith...

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CK
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Message 180 of 303 (200336)
04-19-2005 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Specter
04-19-2005 10:06 AM


Re: The Dogma is Real
If you have an S&M fetish that's your business.....
Have you been to the UK? Christians suffer from a "total lack of interest in what you people are saying, please leave me alone. Look here is 50p, now I have to catch a bus" - so persecution is a bit difficult when no-one is interested in what you are saying.
So clearly either Jesus was wrong or maybe he forgot a footnote about the UK.
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