Existence of Demons (and Angels)

That's nice that you think that. Can you show evidence that your belief is factual?Of course not.

Scheme? Proof? I see nothing wrong with being a christian.

Of course there is nothing wrong with being a Christian. Believe what you will.When you make claims about what you believe, there can be no debate... you are the only authority in that. When anyone makes a claim of fact about reality, then evidence is required to support the fact.You claim that all other mythologies are fairy tales but yours is not. That's a claim of objective fact. Care to back it up? That's what I was saying you can't do, because I have seen the effort made time and again (here and elsewhere) and it has invariably failed.

You want proof that it actually happened? Dare to research Pliny's notes on Christianity? Herod Aggripa's notes? How about the cessar's notes? You really shouldn't ask for proof so persistently. Goodbye for now.

Why not? The fact that you can't provide it? That's not a good enough reason for me.

Take that back! I challenge you to go to this websites and check out the proof!
Jeff Lowder Jury Chap5 » Internet Infidels
(And no, the "infidels" in the URL have nothing to do with 'infidel', the noun we find in our dictionary.)

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The difference is I don't think my perceptions superior to the facts about reality that can be ascertained by scientific rationalism

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God is much deeper than that.

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but when a claim of fact is made

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What fact? there are no facts. The difference is you think your beliefs are better than his. The reasoning you use to know this is irrevelant. But your reasoning is flawed. You're living life looking through a needle. You have been ignoring what is real. I describe it to you, I can't show you.Don't pull me into a demon argument, I don't like when ppl get oppressed thats why I responded.It's not faith. I'm on this plane of thought that you havent reached yet because you got distracted.This message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-19-2005 03:33 PMThis message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-19-2005 03:34 PM

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"God exists" is a claim of fact. "I believe that God exists" is a different kind of claim. The first is not allowed to go unchallenged without evidence. The second is allowed to do so because no evidence for or aganst it could exist. So deep, in fact, that he's beyond the access of the rational mind? Well, how convinient for you.

So you say. Why should I believe it? Faith and Mike The Wiz both made claims of fact based on nothing but their opinion. That's what I was responding to. No, I think my beliefs more accurately reflect the way the world really is. The reason I think that is I go with fact, not opinion. If that is your criteria for better, fine. It isn't mine. This is both wrong and insulting. Because you can't look beyond yourself, you are somehow beyond me, and I presume anyone who disagrees with you? That is utterly foolish.I was a theist. If your picture is recent, I was a theist when I was your age. I left your mindset behind, because I saw it's flaws. So, it isn't that I haven't reached it, it's that I have moved past it.

Hi Specter,Are you sure you really want to post a link to Internet Infidel's Secular Web concerning McDowell's "proof"?You are aware that this is a secular website and the page you link to is a rebuttal of McDowell's book right? And yes, the infidels in the URL very much has to do with the noun you find in your dictionary.From their home page:

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"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"select * from USERS where CLUE > 0http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com
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"God exists" is a claim of fact. "I believe that God exists" is a different kind of claim. The first is not allowed to go unchallenged without evidence. The second is allowed to do so because no evidence for or aganst it could exist.

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You have no idea what I was talking about.

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So deep, in fact, that he's beyond the access of the rational mind? Well, how convinient for you.

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No, actually it's quite frustrating, I've only been learning to cope with this.

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Why should I believe it?

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I wouldn't be able to convince you. It is an experience, a metamorphosis, a coming of age thing, it is reaching the farthest depths of the human mind, its hard, you have to think and be blessed into a good position.You didn't see what I see. If you were able to see an existence then not see an existence it is only a limited picture.Tell me a flaw because I don't see one.

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I go with fact, not opinion

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Again, what fact. There are no facts.

Here's a hint. That's the smarter part of your mind telling you "this is bullshit."

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