Don't turn my God-fearing kid gay!

Stuco, I have made two posts, Message 46, and Message 51 addressed to you that have been ignored. You have replied to messages before and after mine.This is your last warning. Either provide the evidence others have requested of you or retract your claim. Failure to do this will result in a 24 hour suspension of posting privileges.

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Stuco - As you are a newbee here, you are being cut some slack. That is soon (now?) to end.Let's try for for improved civility and general quality in your messages. Otherwise a suspension is about to happen.Responses to this message should go to the "General..." topic, link below.Adminnemooseus

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In issues concerning children, the government takes it upon themselves to consider that the best interests of the child are upheld in any circumstance.Not that I agree with the thought process, but it is assumed that anyone who would publically proclaim their sexual orientation would also not be fit to parent based on their liberal belief.Rhetorically, would we want an alcoholic to become a foster parent? Would we want an adulterer or a viewer of pornographic images to foster our neglected children? Obviously no...and yet, how many foster parent applicants put on their resume that they are alcoholics or voyeurs?Some of us such as Troy feel that proclamation of sexual orientation is not the same as being addicted to a problem. The issue is that sexual orientation is NO problem.The opponents of such a view would say that sexual orientation becomes a problem when it is taught to be not only a fact but an acceptable fact. The question of whether a child should be exposed to such an issue is what is at stake, here.Surprisingly, some Christian ministers are dealing with these issues in a non judgemental way. Troy, I suggest that you read this link here. Not all Christians are gay bashers, but the majority of society still has to come to terms with whether such a lifestyle is
in the best interests of a childs environment.Personally, I think that the foster parents should be judged on their overall morality above and beyond their orientation. As a Christian, I believe that the issue is a valid one, but I also do not believe that the government should legislate morality before the fact. That being said, I also would advise foster parent applicants to keep their personal sex life to themselves if they want to get approved.Society is not ready to say that anything goes.

You want evidence sir? You got it but you wont believe it.It is from Dr.James Dobson from his book love must be tough(groans and sighs). There are these places called gay baths. There are about 200 to 400 in existence in the US. The succes of this operation has led to spread of aids and other sexually transmited desies. A person who goes to these gay baths can have sex with up to 10 people or more a night.But since you didnt hear it on Wolf Blitzer you probbly wont belive it.

After reading Phatboy's post I think it's time I told you people the truth.Oh sure I can sing all of the verses of "I can survive" and my house is colour co-ordinated but the simple truth is....I'm straight. Yep I've said it - I hope that publically proclaiming my sexual orientation is not held against me if I decide to adopt.

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I suggest that you read this link here. Not all Christians are gay bashers, but the majority of society still has to come to terms with whether such a lifestyle is in the best interests of a childs environment.

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Can you give me SPECIFIC example of how this lifestyle differs from hetrosexual life? Are gay people more likely to walk around naked? Have sex in front of the child? What SPECIFIC aspects of the "lifestyle" are you refering to?Can you give SPECIFIC examples of this lifestyle that are not in the best interests of the child?Would we want an adulterer or a viewer of pornographic images to foster our neglected children?Why would viewing LEGAL pornographic material make you a bad parent? is it now illegal in the states? Are you suggesting that it in some ways make you a pervert or a child-molster? Why bring it in this context? are you trying to suggest something?

Actually, there are plenty of such clubs that cater to heterosexuals. I don't see why you need to single out homosexuals for behavior that is not uncommon among heterosexuals.

Is there no one hear who will stand up for true Christian beifs. Or did evreyone chase them away.

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It is from Dr.James Dobson from his book love must be tough(groans and sighs). There are these places called gay baths. There are about 200 to 400 in existence in the US. The succes of this operation has led to spread of aids and other sexually transmited desies. A person who goes to these gay baths can have sex with up to 10 people or more a night.

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Em.. that is a book about marriages in crisis - why would it have such a section? On what basis does he make this claim? What research methodology does he employ?

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But since you didnt hear it on Wolf Blitzer you probbly wont belive it.

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I have never heard of Wolf Blitzer - what is it? a web site?This message has been edited by General Krull, 23-Apr-2005 01:23 PM

I will stand up for good english and the ability to spell.

I have an idea: why don't you stand up for "true Christian beliefs", whatever those are? All you have to do is actually back up your points with facts and reasoned arguments.No one is against you, Stuco -- we just don't like seeing people just make whatever statements they want without being able to back them up.

Who said those things?How do any of your posts relate to those basic Christian teachings and beliefs?Now once again, support your assertions or retract them!The Orang is getting testy.

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Once again, you've stated some things that are surprisingly... not you. I must admit that I expected more from you.Have you even look at the bill? Foster parents are asked by child services whether they are gay or straight, and the foster parent wannabes have to answer that question.Phatboy, it's posts like this that makes me question your objectiveness in such matter.Added by edit.Reminds me of a joke I recently heard, or read, somewhere.A man name Mr. Gay (yes, there are last names like this out there) boards a flight bound for another state. The thing is he is a passenger that is on the waiting list, meaning he has to give up his seat if there aren't enough seats for everyone. When Mr. Gay went to his assigned seat, he noticed that someone was already sitting there (probably by mistake), so he decided to sit at one of the empty seats, since the plane is about to take off.As it turned out, there aren't enough seat for everyone so a flight attendant went to Mr. Gay's assigned seat and asked the man sitting there, "Are you Gay?" The man embarrassly answered "Yes."Then, the flight attendant said, "I'm sorry, sir, but I have to ask you to give up your seat.Mr. Gay came and tried to explain to the flight attendant of the misunderstanding. He said, "I'm Gay."Suddenly, another man stood up and said, "Hell, I'm gay, too. They can't throw us all off the plane!"A few seconds later, everybody on the plane had started discussing whether or not the airline had the right to throw a person off the plane because he is gay.This message has been edited by Troy, 04-23-2005 01:47 PM

Did you read the link?I may not be totally objective, but I DO believe that the government should not legislate morality...any more than the Pharisees who threatened to stone the adulterous woman. None of them were righteous and neither is the Texas legislature.BTW I never knew that the parents were asked. That is a no-brainer.
What would YOU do if you were asked? (Assuming that you wanted to be a foster parent) Pretend you were in Texas! This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-23-2005 11:48 AM

Phatboy, I'm not claiming that all Christians are "bashers" at all. Honestly, even though I consider it very hypocritical, I don't have a problem with Christians practicing as much gay bashing as they possibly can inside their churches. Go at it! They're all going to hell, it's a sick disease of sin, etc.As long as the ministry isn't hurting anyone or interrupting the lives of homosexuals, I don't see a problem with it. People have the right to believe whatever they want and they have the right to assemble based on their common beliefs.What I DO have a problem with, is using that faith-based opinion to promote discrimination in state-funded organizations. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexual households are unsafe for children.Why does being open about your sexuality have to do with raising children? Is our goal to raise children to be closed and shy away from discussion? Shall we not allow children to be raised in households with television or radio? I suppose they should also be home schooled? The list goes on and on.Disfunction does not start with sexual orientation or being open about your sexuality. It comes down to fear, and that's why I think it's ridiculous.There are people in power now that want us to move backwards instead of forwards as a society. I mean, haven't we passed all this years ago? I honestly don't understand.

I don't agree. "It is assumed" has absolutely nothing to do with the bill itself. As I explained it, anyone would have to answer the question, gay or straight. Why even mention it if you didn't want to make a point out of it or to justify it of some sense?And sorry, but I don't think anything christian is worth my time anymore, especially a website. Yes, I've given into my anger and is now in the dark side of the force. No chance I'm living in Texas. But if someone asks me, and if it is a friendly environment, I would be honest. However, if it appears to be an unfriendly environment, I'd say, "none of your goddamn bussiness." If it appears to be a very unfriendly environment, I'd say, "none of your goddamn bussiness, you assholes."This message has been edited by Troy, 04-23-2005 01:54 PM