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Author Topic:   SIMPLE Astronomical Evidence Supports the Bible
ramoss
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Message 128 of 197 (201386)
04-23-2005 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by tsig
04-23-2005 6:17 AM


Re: original language
I bet that even if he does, he would not understand it.
Genesis is a wonderful story. It has puns, political satire, digs at surrounding religions that you have to understand in the political context of the day. It uses all the names of the of the gods in the Ugartic religion as the name of a single diety, in a rather successful effort in the long run to assimulate that religion.
What it is NOT is a science text. People who try to read science into it lose all it's subtle meanings that were actually written in there.

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ramoss
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Message 142 of 197 (201581)
04-23-2005 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ptolemy
04-23-2005 8:11 PM


Re: Teach us who God is
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I am trying to show that the simple words of the Bible demonstrates its truth. We have endured unrelenting attacks claiming that our Bible could not be true because science contradicts it. We have conducted a valiant struggle with our own versions of science. We can’t win this war of ideas that way. God made the universe for His glory - not to glorify our science. My message cannot be made socially acceptable, because I am interpreting what the Scriptures say about physics with simple words, not science.
And you are showing that the simple words of the bible are nothing more than the simple words of the bible, important to some, but not anything more than that. You are trying to twist the simple words of the bible to mean more than what it's authors intended it to be, and therefore have corrupted it. The bible says nothing of physics. The bible says nothing science. The way the Jewish faith views the Tanakh is the history of a people searching for god, with all the warts and wrinkles of the people who are trying to find god in their own way.
As far as I am concerned, trying to twist the 'simple' words in the bible to have it show your misunderstanding of scientific fact is corrupting the bible, corrupting science, and corrupting spirituality.

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ramoss
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Message 155 of 197 (201631)
04-23-2005 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by ptolemy
04-23-2005 10:12 PM


Re: Teach us who God is
I don't know what you think you have been reading, but from an astronomical point of view, it is 100% nonsense.

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ramoss
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Message 167 of 197 (201751)
04-24-2005 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Phat
04-24-2005 11:56 AM


Re: Complete nonsense.
And I disagree that ignorance can be spirutal anything. You pluck out what you want from out of context quote, mistranslations, and what ever your preacher told you, you get a distortion about what was meant.
That is what I see as the state of evangalical christanity in the U.S.

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Message 172 of 197 (202101)
04-25-2005 7:24 AM
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04-25-2005 6:49 AM


Re: Complete nonsense.
While that might be true, you first have to get a good foundation of learning in. Otherwise, your conclusions are based on misunderstanding, mistakes and lies. A house built on stand can not stand.

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ramoss
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Message 191 of 197 (203034)
04-27-2005 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by ptolemy
04-27-2005 1:49 PM


Re: Is a first principle falsifiable?
You have shown nothing. You are taking things out of context, and mistranlated, and trying to 'shoehorn' things into that do not mean anything like it is intended to mean.
Why don't you read Isaiah 42-46 IN CONTEXT?? It has nothing to do with geography and the physical bounds of the earth.
Your insisting that these ancient texts say what they don't doesn't demonstrate anything at all, except that you are not realistic.

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ramoss
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Message 193 of 197 (203100)
04-27-2005 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by ptolemy
04-27-2005 4:40 PM


Re: Is a first principle falsifiable?
Sigh. Even when you quote the entire passage, you use it out of context.

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