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Author Topic:   Existence of Demons (and Angels)
nator
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Message 256 of 303 (201675)
04-24-2005 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
04-22-2005 12:22 PM


Re: Now the thread has arrived at miracles.
quote:
All the Bible is regarded by believers as factually true,
Then why aren't they all drinking poison without being harmed?

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jar
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Message 257 of 303 (201704)
04-24-2005 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
04-22-2005 12:22 PM


Please get your terms straight.
All the Bible is regarded by believers as factually true, ...
All the Bible is regarded by SOME believers as factually true.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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dsv
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Message 258 of 303 (201723)
04-24-2005 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Trump won
04-22-2005 6:59 PM


Re: Demon stories
chris simon porteus jr writes:
Okay here' evidence for u:
The simple fact of how things look the way they do, how humans look like humans and leaves look like leaves is evidence for intelligent design.
How do you know how humans are supposed to look? How are leaves supposed to look? You're assuming we all subscribe to an intelligent design theory even while arguing for the intelligent design itself. These are just as easily examples of the evolutionary process as they are for your point.
Furthermore, if the human body in what you consider to be its final form were intelligently designed, I would argue that it would be much better off than it is in its current state. There is a lot wrong with us.

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Trump won 
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Message 259 of 303 (201734)
04-24-2005 1:09 PM
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04-24-2005 1:01 PM


Re: Demon stories
quote:
These are just as easily examples of the evolutionary process as they are for your point.
I understand that. I don't understand that something can have an inherent form and not have been made or designed. The human in me begs to ask why things have definite forms if there is no creator. It's illogical.
quote:
There is a lot wrong with us.
The fact that we're imperfect isn't really good evidenceagainst a design you know?
I know this really doesn't matter but I'm curious as to what philosophy you hold true.

everything happens for a reason

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nator
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Message 260 of 303 (201737)
04-24-2005 1:12 PM
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04-24-2005 1:09 PM


Re: Demon stories
quote:
I don't understand that something can have an inherent form and not have been made or designed.
Snowflakes have an inherent form that required no intelligence to form. It's just the way the molecular bonds form that result in the shapes you see.

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Message 261 of 303 (201744)
04-24-2005 1:25 PM
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04-24-2005 1:12 PM


Re: Demon stories
Really? So molecular bonds just form that way. It's like a mere coincidence. I choose to look deeper.

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coffee_addict
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Message 262 of 303 (201748)
04-24-2005 1:29 PM
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04-24-2005 1:25 PM


Re: Demon stories
Oh, so now you're a chemist.
Do you know what bipolar means? What does it have to do with hydrogen bonding? Tell me why ice is less dense than water even though they have the same chemical properties?

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Message 263 of 303 (201749)
04-24-2005 1:30 PM
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04-24-2005 1:29 PM


Re: Demon stories
I'm not a chemist. I choose to loook deeper

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jar
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Message 264 of 303 (201755)
04-24-2005 1:35 PM


EVERYBODY
Let's try to make this civil AND constructive.
Quit the inqusition. Quit the "I choose to look deeper" responses.
Those who would mentor, mentor. Use kindness and consideration.
Those who would learn, listen. Ask questions and take this as an opportunity to use the knowledge being offered to you.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 265 of 303 (201759)
04-24-2005 1:40 PM
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04-24-2005 1:29 PM


Re: Demon stories
Ok on jars wishing i will entertain troy's trivial questions. ice is less dense than water becaue the electrons are moving very slow in the ice right and they're compact right?

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dsv
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Message 266 of 303 (201761)
04-24-2005 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Trump won
04-24-2005 1:09 PM


Re: Demon stories
I know this really doesn't matter but I'm curious as to what philosophy you hold true.
I am an agnostic and a Bright. My truth materializes in science and naturalism. The reason I remain agnostic rather than true atheist is in order to leave myself open to theories of all kinds when concerning pre-singularity histories. My actual area of study is molecular nanotechnology and Seed machines (Artificial Intelligence designed for self-modification, self-understanding and recursive self-improvement), creation and evolution being a hobby of philosophy and science.
How about yourself?
The fact that we're imperfect isn't really good evidenceagainst a design you know?
Perhaps, but what does such a statement reflect on the designer?

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Message 267 of 303 (201765)
04-24-2005 1:58 PM
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04-24-2005 1:41 PM


Re: Demon stories
quote:
Perhaps, but what does such a statement reflect on the designer?
I don't think we could ever make that judgement because our ability to percieve God is limited.
quote:
How about yourself?
I am a theist born into a christian culture (as in America not my family), so that i am christian, I'm with the fundamentalists, I don't look to the East that much, as much as some say i should. I enjoy prayer more than meditation. I don't meditate it doesnt work for me. I have aspects of a romantic in me. More importantly Im an existentialist but most importantly I'm a truth seeker as all of us here are undoubtedly.

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nator
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Message 268 of 303 (201767)
04-24-2005 2:03 PM
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04-24-2005 1:25 PM


Re: Demon stories
quote:
Really? So molecular bonds just form that way.
Yep, all by themselves as a consequence of their shapes.
quote:
It's like a mere coincidence.
Sure, why does it have to be anything else?
If I throw a deck of cards in the air, is the pattern they form on the floor a "mere coincidence"?
I'd say it was.
quote:
I choose to look deeper.
Yeah, you look "deeply" all right.
I hoope you have a shovel with you.

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Trump won 
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Message 269 of 303 (201769)
04-24-2005 2:06 PM
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04-24-2005 2:03 PM


Re: Demon stories
quote:
Sure, why does it have to be anything else?
If I throw a deck of cards in the air, is the pattern they form on the floor a "mere coincidence"?
I'd say it was.
I don't believe in coincidence.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2169 days)
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Message 270 of 303 (201771)
04-24-2005 2:07 PM
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04-24-2005 1:58 PM


Re: Demon stories
Perhaps, but what does such a statement reflect on the designer?
quote:
I don't think we could ever make that judgement because our ability to percieve God is limited.
Then why do you make claims about intelligent design being evidenced in nature if you admit that your ability to perceive God is limited?

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