"The main point about the creation of the Universe is not necessary to the relevance or evidence about evolution"
It sure is relevant! It hinges on everything and if you dont' like it tough beans.... You just want to throw God out of the equation and glorify man....well not me so don't pawn me with your liberal games. And, the molecule to man theory is absurd and has no basis of fact and it is not science. So yes it is very relevant because you're using my tax dollars to deeive children. I am not a bigot like evolutionists I would teach kids both views and let them decide.
"Evolution deals with the way life has changed over time and not origins. However, there are several threads about abiogenesis and cosmolgy here."
The way life has changed? Are you kidding me? Evolution states that life has gotten better and better and better and better and that we keep evolving. That's NOT science. We aren't getting better and evolving we are DEVOLVING, DISENTEGRATING, DECAYING and headed towards ultimate death. Those are the FACTS. You don't know very much about the Second Law of Thermodynamics nor do you have much common sense. The Law of Entropy is FACT and squarely negates macroevolution period. YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS PLANET HAS NEVER OBSERVED MACROEVOLUTION, therefore it is not fact, nor science. It is faith based, and you accept it as such. It's your religion. It's your cult.
And, most important belief in Creation lines up PERFECTLY with science. Belief in evolution does NO such thing. You have to have more faith to believe in evolution than creation. My beliefs MATCH up perfectly with the LAWS (those are FACTS bud)of Science. The First Law of Thermo (which STATES that nothing is being either created or evolved by present processes), the Second Law of Thermo...both completely and squarely NEGATE any type of evolution other than microevolution. So doesn't the Law of Biogenesis, Laws of Probability, etc... Evolutionists have to BYPASS those Laws to believe in evolution. Evolution is NOT scientific and don't be calling it science. It's your religion nothing more. Evolutionists are misleading millions upon millions of little kids based on their personal beliefs and opinions and not SCIENCE while using my tax dollars to do it. ANd, YOU will be held responsible for every soul you destroy by your deception.
In living organisms, true vertical changes GO DOWN, not up--mutations cause deterioration, individuals die, species become extinct. So where are the BILLIONS of transitional forms? Numerous kinds of extinct animals are found, but NEVER, in all of these billions of fossils, is a truly incipient or transitional form found. No fossil has ever been found with half scales/half feathers, half legs/half wings/ half-developed heart, half-developed eye or any other such indicator. Furthermore, WHY do evolutionists continue to teach lies that have been disproven for years? Why do evolutionists have to "doctor" evidence for their little idiotic unproven theory? Why can't we simply OBSERVE macroevolution with our eyes? Why can't we see a man evolve from an ape, a star evolve from hydrogen, life evolve from chemicals or any thing of the sort? WHY?????????????????????????? Put your damn money where your mouth is! You know why can't? Simple, the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics or in other words God won't let you. You see that? God's got you cornered. You belief LIFE AROSE from nothing while mocking the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. God's got you! Plain and simple. You either accept evolution or creation by faith except creationists belief line up PEFECTLY with science and the Creator. That's called check mate. Make your decision very wisely from here on out...
Now, microevolution is true. Big whooped-dee-do. That proves nothing. In fact, it shouldn't be called evolution. It's BIBLE. The BIBLE says that each would produce after its/his kind. So, don't be calling it evolution because it isn't evolution it's BIBLE. And, dogs are always dogs although they occur in approximately 250 varieties. THEY ARE STILL DOGS....."like begets like" which matches up PERFECTLY with the BIBLE not evolution. You have NEVER seen a half dog/half cat or any thing of the sort. You can't create energy or matter!
"By the way, I have looked at drdino's site a few times. He favors the debunked angular momentum argument and more than once quotes about the camel and gnat."
I have nothing to do with Hovind. Never met him in my life. Never talked with him in my life. I wasn't quoting him I was quoting you the Bible. And, in your whole post you haven't provided ONE OUNCE of FACT, or SCIENCE. You gave your opinions. Your opinion means nothing. We are here to talk about FACTS, SCIENCE, and the TRUTH not to philosphize about your (ye shall be as gods?) opinions or beliefs. That's not science. It's sad you guys don't even get it. You talk about evolution being science and blah blah blah blah but you provide NO SCIENCE or FACT whatsoever. SCIENCE is OBSERVABLE. You can't provide one example of OBSERVABLE macroevolution. Like I said it's sad.....it's also BIBLE.....
Romans 1:18-32 states:
"18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
2 Timothy 3:1-7:
"1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
See that last part? Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. You mess with God and His creation and His Son the Lord Jesus Christ and He will absolutely positively mess with you and your mind.a
2 Peter 3:3-5:
" 3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5For this they willingly are ignorant of...."
Again, do you see that? Scoffers.....and boy do we got 'em!! And, the second part "all things continue as they were from the beginning..." This remarkable belief is evolutionary uniformitarianism and it completely dominates the scientific and educational establishments of every nation in the world today. It has been made the basic premise of origins and meaning. This is a remarkable fulfillment of Peter's prophecy (about 1,900 years ago). God knew exactly what the world which btw, is the devil's world and worldly system (II Cor. 4:4), was gonna do thousands of years before it did it. And, lastly you are willingly ignorant of it too. Very sad. You are gonna trade your pride and possibly a 70 year life for eternity. Not me, no thanks.
One last thing, do you or anyone here drive a used car? Then, how can you possible believe in evolution? Tsk, tsk.
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