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doctrbill
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Message 3 of 329 (6844)
03-14-2002 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LudvanB
03-14-2002 9:49 AM


quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB:
http://www.webster.sk.ca/greenwich/bible-a.htm
Here's a link to an intriguing article i've come across last night...food for thoughts,perhaps?

Lots of interesting stuff here. Is there anything in particular you would like to discuss.

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doctrbill
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Message 5 of 329 (6875)
03-14-2002 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by LudvanB
03-14-2002 8:37 PM


quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB
Firmament meant Solid Orb in biblical times...

Orb would be too much to ask of firmament during the time of Abraham but by the time of Jesus, 300 years after Aristotle, orb would fit the picture quite nicely.
quote:
... the fact that there is water below and above the FIRMAMENT...which seems to imply that the earth was,in the mind of early biblical autors,some sort of bubble surrounded by water.
In fact they thought that the universe* was surrounded by water. See my recent post in Solving the Mystery of the Biblical Flood, and/or visit this page and linked material.
http://www.geocities.com/anudei/Creation.html
* "heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them" Exodus 20:11
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doctrbill
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Message 9 of 329 (6889)
03-15-2002 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by AARD
03-15-2002 3:32 AM


Ludvan - I've got better things to do than read extraneous cut and paste books. Your repeat of it doesn't help my attitude.

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doctrbill
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Message 24 of 329 (7002)
03-16-2002 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by The Barbarian
03-16-2002 8:24 AM


quote:
Originally posted by The Barbarian:
The extreme position of Inerrancy depends on Luther's new doctrine of "Sola Scriptura". ... One of the most common sins among modern Christians is an idolatry of the Bible.
I wonder how many fundie's would appreciate knowing that a Lutheran doctrine is at the root of their belief system?
Worship of The Book, or worship of books in general might be called, Doxabiblia, (from the Greek).

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doctrbill
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Message 39 of 329 (7075)
03-16-2002 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Diamus
03-16-2002 10:50 PM


Has this exchange qualified you to cut a notch in your Bible Belt?

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doctrbill
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Message 51 of 329 (7151)
03-17-2002 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Jet
03-17-2002 5:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Jet:
"... where did they get the wierd translation ... ?
... I am not sure what "translation" of the Bible was used ... but it is nothing close to any of the translations that I use.
... obvious errors ...
... erroneous claims ..."

A. You think the King James Version is "weird"?
B. You don't recognize or employ the King James Version?
C. Which "errors"? Which "erroneous claims"? Please specify.
D. Your criticism of the authors' scholarship and mastery of English might better be spent on yourself. Several times in one paragraph you refer to a singular subject by means of a plural pronoun. Example:
quote:
Jet:
"I must wonder if the author of this site ever bothered to read an actual Bible, and if so, where did they get the wierd translation ... and what level of education does this person have that they are unable to grasp even the most basic understanding of English grammatical text."
Regarding your attempt at further insult ...
quote:
"The author of this site is a walking oxymoron."
... why do I doubt you know the meaning of this word (oxymoron)?

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doctrbill
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Message 55 of 329 (7379)
03-20-2002 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Mister Pamboli
03-19-2002 10:43 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mister Pamboli:
Here's a first - I'm going to defend Jet! I guess this won't happen again, so make the best of it!
How noble of you! Hope you understand why I had to do that.
Have you any idea what he was ranting about? Was your keen sense of appropriate English offended by the writing on that site?

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doctrbill
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Message 57 of 329 (7455)
03-20-2002 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Mister Pamboli
03-20-2002 10:40 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mister Pamboli:
I thought it was hilarious that Jet didn't recognize the KJV - and I would love to see some evidence of even basic knowledge of Hebrew or Chaldean. Sadly(?) I think Jet has departed this forum to spread their bile elsewhere.
Some people think that possession of a concordance makes them experts. Too bad it's not that simple. I've been fondling girlie magazines all my life and I still don't know a damned thing about women.
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doctrbill
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Message 283 of 329 (20067)
10-17-2002 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by bretheweb
04-02-2002 12:32 PM


Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Hope you are still hanging out here. Just discovered that I can now check for replies to my posts. So cool!
Thanks Percy.
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doctrbill
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Message 298 of 329 (20292)
10-19-2002 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by Wordswordsman
10-19-2002 8:55 PM


quote:
wordwordsman An encyclopedia is not a suitable source for studying the Bible. They are wrong ... Bible scholars have done far better capturing the facts of it.
Whom do you think writes those scholarly articles? Bible scholars, of course! Wake up and smell the burning flesh. Bible scholars do not always agree among themselves.
quote:
I'll quote from a Bible college course on the prophets first.
How will that help? Bible Colleges are necessarily biased. Their priority is to affirm of their own sectarian prejudice.
quote:
wwm As to when Isaiah began his prophecy, we begin with 1:1, not 6:1. Isaiah 1:1 "The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah."
This does nothing for your argument but does show that you excell at nitpicking.
quote:
wwm I'll have to ... copy/paste
Like you have been doing?
quote:
wwm Will you pursue them?
I won't.
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Creationism Evolves!

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doctrbill
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Message 305 of 329 (20314)
10-20-2002 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Wordswordsman
10-20-2002 8:28 AM


Thank you for your response.
quote:
WWS Historical record can't be used in a biased way, except to omit the information.
Historical "record" depends entirely upon the recorder. And it can be misrepresented, embellished, or denied.
quote:
WWS Bible college teaches a person to recognize the appearance of discongruity from the norm, especially when information contradicts what is plainly stated in the Bible. They teach you how to recognize authors who attempt to re-write the Bible, an ongoing task.
A. I am well aware of what Bible College does. By "discongruity from the norm" I assume you mean the ChristianNorm?
B."Plainly stated" is in the mind of the reader. Six hundred different denominations of Christianity can't all be reading it the same.
C. Rewriting the Bible is a favorite Christian pastime. It is called 'creating a new version.'
quote:
WWS ... rather than try to type out the original text, I will scan and try to post that way. I don't have time to do it manually. I thought you would appreciate notes instead.
What I would appreciate is you arguing your own belief from your own reason. Assume that I have no inclination to respect your authorities but will listen to your own personal convictions. I will also accept scriptural arguments, assuming that you have reviewed a number of alternative translations, checked them against the ancient languages, and offer knowledgable rationale regarding why you accept and/or reject a particular point of view. I do not reject the occasional brief quote (with attribution) but I am likely to ignore your cut-and-paste epistles.
In short, I am here to discuss with you, not with your favorite authors.
quote:
WWS I appreciate the honesty. Since you accept the testimony of encyclopedias, I'll post part of this article from the Catholic Encyclopedia at CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Isaias:
I neither accept nor reject the opinion of anyone out-of-hand. And, I think this discussion of Isaiah is peripheral to the real issue of whether biblical statements can be taken at face value.
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doctrbill
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Message 307 of 329 (20334)
10-20-2002 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Wordswordsman
10-20-2002 7:09 PM


quote:
Percy The Septuagint is a translation of the Torah performed 300 years after the return to Jerusalem. It is not a research work on OT origins.
quote:
WWS It and its notes remain irrefutable, unchangeable. There is no indication in it of any suspicion of your theory.
If the Septuagint is irrefutable and unchangeable then why has so much of it been thrown out by the Christian church?
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doctrbill
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Message 324 of 329 (46031)
07-14-2003 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by Jet
12-09-2002 2:32 AM


quote:
Yahweh Elohim ... Yahshua Ha Mashiach ... Ruach of Elohim ...
No amount of Darwinian doublespeak will ever be able to mask that reality.
And no amount of Hebrew mumbo jumbo will return Earth to the center of the universe.
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"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."

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