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Message 1 of 78 (202539)
04-26-2005 8:55 AM


THE EVIDENCE OF GOD
I must say, I felt sad when I was made fun of for having a different viewpoint. For showing some depth. To want to believe in something as real as it is beautiful, where you're not let down by your peers or in the end.
I do not adhere to science, I do not adhere to the evidence. Christians who are hoping I will change, I'll let you down. There is no place for logic in the discussion of God. I learned today though. In That you aren't allowed to use a word with many meanings until you are instructed how to use it by another man, with another philosophy, that you know about math. I can't believe God can be defined by a textbook or by man.
I see people here and it's a tragedy. They can't see the spirit in their life in their world, in their experience. In their experiences. I see people that accept coincidence and submit to society's rules. They need something to get at, they gripe at a system that adheres to a God, but they accept a place, a place in where they are 1 in 6 billion living a life with an occupation, with a place, a limited life experience. And it is accepted. And they complain about old men and young children who believe in something more ignorant than what they believe.
What is ignorance? Anything that doesn't follow your precious human evidence? This isn't racism. This can't be reasoned with. Righteous men have become from the Bible. Atheists denial of the only thing thats real in this entire world of nothing amazes me. People criticize or demean those that don't adhere directly to the evidence are prejudice like racists.
I would like to apologize to all atheists because a christian could be guilty of this. I hope you accept my apology from my discriminating remark. They crucify anyone and anything that doesn't agree with this evidence--this nothingness that has been given value. I'll side with the ignorant. I won't agree with you. How dare you define what's real. What is ignorant? What is worth believing in? You have no idea.
The world can give a negative impression. Nature can give a negative impression. If you're sad the weather can make it worse, you start losing hope because you're letting yourself get pushed around, its like being a participant in society. Well I'm weak too, we all get pushed around then a high enlightened one takes away the only thing we have left. Our belief. He shapes and changes it threatening with evidence, with truth that his perspective is true.
I refuse to deny God. Because I see God in you, I should be scorned and laughed at?
This is why I feel so bad because I'm trying to show where the food is to these malnourished humans on this journey down a downward spiral. This food is right next to them but they won't accept it. I don't enjoy it. I observe it. It's giving me this melancholy feeling right now because God is trying to teach me something... But this oppression can't last forever! Give me a few months. Ahtman=Brahman is true because I can see God in you, but all I wanted to do was to stick up for people losing their beliefs because the evidence is swaying them. It won't enhance your experience, it'll dwindle it to nothing, and if you lose the hope you have nothing. You become man made. But the fact is you were made by God, you been perfectly created. There's no errors in it or imperfections because there is a reason to it. That existentialist was wrong. It's not your fault that your life is bad. It's everybody elses. It's beyond your control, do your best ot not lose hope and keep your head up so you can witness God when he decides to cheer you up.
Everyone deserves something when we die. I refuse to believe this hellhole is the best that we could expect and look forward to or to make the best of.
There are men breaking their bodies hoping and praying for peace. They're breaking their bodies for their undeserving children, they take all this oppression, this lie that life is good if you make it that way, they destroy themselves to give their children a better experience.
They wait for their pensions too. So they can retire and not work anymore when they're nearly dead and not guaranteed another day. If that is all your existence consists of-- to live and die-- than there is no point in living.
Because this life is harsh, its rough, its corrosive and poisonous, it exists solely to bring you down and when you're brought down to that point where you have no hope because a few enlightened ones wanted to let you know that your beliefs hold no bearing and this is it and there is nothing beautiful, it is all what it seems to be, don't worry you won't remember when you don't exist anymore, then you die and God stimulates you into being happy and you live.
Or does God let you in on his secret: he tells your hard working wrinkled face that has been let down something that you needed to know that gave you peace, that let your tired body rest.
I refuse that God gives empty promises. I refuse to believe my father prays in vain every sunday, pays homage to a god that doesnt even exist, that he sighs and he meditates, that he finds this bliss, that hes living to die to not exist anymore. I cant accept my favorite person doesnt exist anymore.
I refused to believe in second grade that my mother wasnt in heaven and I still do. That evil fundamentalist consoled me, he gave me hope he was sure she was in heaven.
People that vocally look down upon believers in an afterlife:
YOU'RE adding to the filth, you are the filth. you deny people the hope of peace in death, you seek to erase legacies, and desecrate memories and leave all those ppl to die and rot in this hell. This is hell. This earth is hell. I will not be confined to it. My dad wont be confined to it, they scream for it, I scream for it, I scream for justice , I scream for life, I scream to be happy, it rattles through my bones. And if I died and I was in the ground my soul would scream for me and my soul is real your soul is real, Good souls that get fucked over in life that get little money, that get destroyed and burnt by this world, by this system. Show me a man that died happy. Show me the truth. Show me God, show me God in everything. Because God would dare to not give each and every one of you what you deserve.
People that preach death without life:
You can choose to believe that this hell is all we have to expect. I won't. Stop preaching this hopeless message that takes a piece of your soul and never brings it back!
I refuse to be like you.
I refuse to live like you.
I see God in every major figure in history that has ever meant something or contributed something to us. I refuse to believe there is no hope for humans.
There is hope. There is hope for life after death.
Because the souls of the tortured, of the oppressed of the left for dead demand it, and you cannot deny them as you deny the God in yourself because you can not possess a soul that isn't yours.
That's design. That's intelligent design, thats evidence for God.
That's life after death, after hell.
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Message 17 of 78 (203037)
04-27-2005 2:52 PM


Hi everyone,
I wasn't expected this topic to be accepted and put here. I was contemplating amending it a little bit. I was going to share this quote which I will share with you all now:
don't criticize what you can't understand.-Bob Dylan

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 18 of 78 (203041)
04-27-2005 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by nator
04-26-2005 9:33 AM


Re: Do you really know me?
Happier?
How could I be happy knowing that all the children and billions of ppl that die each day because of the US and powerful ppl that you submit to, have died with no life to live. Just because you havent been burnt doesn't mean they haven't, not everyone gets to live in this "happy" world of yours, they get to exist in a life of labor from 6 years old, or get nuked and mutated by other men, or deemed dumb by society, or be affected by stupid ppl.
If being self-obsessed is accepting life's experience then I am. I live looking for beauty, I would have killed my self to live with your narrow view

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 19 of 78 (203042)
04-27-2005 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Dan Carroll
04-26-2005 9:44 AM


Re: Do you really know me?
Usually I don't respond to idiots but you're an exception.
quote:
The world is a Fucking Beautiful Place.
I don't think you realize the audacity of this statement.
Visit a jail, or a graveyard, or a public school, or a third world country.
You have no idea how lucky you and I are. We're the ppl of these stupid monsters so we don't get hit with missiles.
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Message 20 of 78 (203043)
04-27-2005 3:22 PM
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04-26-2005 9:58 AM


Re: Do you really know me?
quote:
If you don't believe in Science or evidence - stick to the faith/belief folders. Don't wander into any of the science based ones.
I don't.
sorry that I didn't connect with you. I have no reason to keep talking with you then. I hope you see this soon, I know I didn't give the best delivery but that's real insignificant.

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Message 21 of 78 (203045)
04-27-2005 3:24 PM
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04-26-2005 10:07 AM


Re: Do you really know me?
Don't worry dsv, there's hope.

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Message 22 of 78 (203047)
04-27-2005 3:27 PM
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04-26-2005 10:15 AM


Re: Do you really know me?
This evidence is harder to see than the type you're used to. You need to feel the tragedy.
This world gives ppl horrible unbearable lives.

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 23 of 78 (203048)
04-27-2005 3:29 PM
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04-26-2005 11:00 AM


Re: Do you really know me?
There isn't much happiness, there is nothing in money.

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 24 of 78 (203049)
04-27-2005 3:37 PM
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04-26-2005 9:40 PM


Re: Do you really know me?
We agree.
But there is one thing I'm not sure if you agree with that I believe. That humans have limited understanding of God. So limited in fact that we can only know it exists.
quote:
How can you despair in the face of God?
I despair because I see everything beautiful here being dstroyed, and I see every beautiful person become a victim of this world.
I believe that ppl that criticize "believers", have no idea.

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 26 of 78 (203052)
04-27-2005 3:45 PM


note to all-
I haven't been around yesterday much because I had to go back to the doctors, I wasn't hiding from this or anything, I thought it was still in the proposal process.
I wrote an essay in my SAT class and strangely enough the topic was this:
Agree on whether or not you should live by the facts or by the emotion, the intangible.
I compared realists and romantics. I might post it here when I get it back. It's far more organized.
note to phatboy:
I had mistakes in my OP but I still didn't appreciate the editing of the text and title, I know you meant well and I would never hold that against you but at least get me to give you an ok with that and moving it in the coffee house in the future if you want.

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 28 of 78 (203055)
04-27-2005 3:50 PM
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04-27-2005 3:41 PM


Re: Do you really know me?
If this was teenager angst i might be arguing about going to school or going to a party or something. I think downplaying the message of my argument isn't nice. I think you are finding a way to demean me as a person, my opinions as a person, that I'm a "teenager" so I don't understand. I think that is stupid. The Christ refuted that. I would think you "don't understand" if youn were 80 years old with your view.

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 29 of 78 (203056)
04-27-2005 3:52 PM
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I believe in love.

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Message 31 of 78 (203059)
04-27-2005 4:01 PM
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Re: Do you know me? That's why I carry an American Express card.
People of our American government.

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Message 34 of 78 (203064)
04-27-2005 4:09 PM
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Re: Do you know me? That's why I carry an American Express card.
First of all "the majority" doesn't matter. All it takes is one person.
But since numbers matter to you I will ask you a question.
Do think there are more ppl that have perfect lives than horrible ones?
If not, do you think that the ppl that experience very bad "downs" remember or think about the downs more or the ups more?
Finally,
Do you think that the majority of an average persons life is ups rather than downs?

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 35 of 78 (203065)
04-27-2005 4:11 PM
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04-27-2005 4:02 PM


Re: Do you really know me?
It's not only I that knows. Lots of ppl know. Judging by your posts you probably aren't one of them.

listen to phil collins and nas

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