Don't turn my God-fearing kid gay!

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Portraying homosexuality as the norm is an illusion that a child may have to be faced with if dealing with 2 gay parents.

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What is "the norm"?In may communities, it's "the norm" to not know who your father is at all, or to have your father be in prison, or dead, or both your parents in prison, or drug addicts hustling on the corner, and you get raised by your grandmother.In certain parts of California, and NYC, it is quite normal to see many gay couples and families around, as well as single moms, single dads, and many blended families.Maybe it's your notion of what is "normal" is far too restrictive and not actually reflective of the reality of the present of the past.

That's your first problem. Since you're part of a xenophobic organization that loves to hate, you're assuming that homosexuality should not and can not be acceptable to society. When really, it's the ignorant homophobes out there who need to wake up to a reality that it's no longer the freaking middle ages, not the homosexuals.Wake up my friend!Stop classifying homosexuals as a race of people. We're all human, we're all hungry, we're all horny. Some of us like Pollo Milanese, some of us like Chicken Parmigiana. Some of us like girl parts, some of us like boy parts. Get with it.

Reasonable. Is there a shortage of "straight parents"?

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That's your first problem. Since you're part of a xenophobic organization that loves to hate, you're assuming that homosexuality should not and can not be acceptable to society. When really, it's

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Hmm, problem, what problem? lolPlease don't assume what "organization" I am apart of, through a point made about society . It's disgusting and direct evidence of ignorance on your part. No need for an apology, I was once referred to as a "flat-earther" by lam, so you could say I'm sort of desensitized. Not offended, just slightly annoyed at your feable position on humanity.

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the ignorant homophobes out there who need to wake up to a reality that it's no longer the freaking middle ages, not the homosexuals.

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Are you joking?Provide me with statistics that show that being gay is a normalcy in society, and that there is a good percentage of homosexuals. It's really not.Secondly, I find your attempt to portray me as an ignorant christian, biggot, or isolator of a group of people as laughable, and a contradiction to your own post, seperating me as if being part of an assumed organization is the same as what you blamed me for doing, actually you were wrong on both assumptions.Check it, Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.- Ephesians.

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In may communities, it's "the norm" to not know who your father is at all, or to have your father be in prison, or dead, or both your parents in prison, or drug addicts hustling on the corner, and you get raised by your grandmother.

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At least, they are still in touch with the truth, and severity of situations on this planet. Rather than being pressed on an illusory image of society.

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In certain parts of California, and NYC, it is quite normal to see many gay couples and families around, as well as single moms, single dads, and many blended families.

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This non-evidence surprises me.

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OK...based on that logic, what if I said that there is no right way to be a behavior modification expert? Some of us like Psychology, some of us like Sociology, some of us like Theology, and some of us like torture chambers?? Or what if I said that there is no right or wrong way to discipline a child? Some like the supernanny and some like superglue and duct tape? My point is that there are better methods of behavior modification than others.As a Christian, I won't condemn homosexuals any more than adulterers but I will judge them as to their effectiveness at being Daddies.What if they were cannibals?? What if they really did like "parts" and not healthy whole kids?? My point is that there needs to be standards.If a straight couple were into kinky whips and chains and porno
and I knew about it, I would say that they were not yet ready to adopt kids! Our right to do whatever we want does not protect us from our responsibility to be good role models.I know better than to legislate morality...there are many things that humans do that may be "natural" according to their nature but not ideal or even preferable to society at large.I keep having visions of that movie, Torch Song Trilogy.
Harvey (whats his name?) portrayed an old gay guy that fell in love with younger guys and lived with them. He then adopted a high school kid and once went to the school in his "mom" outfit...hair in curlers, floppy slippers...etc. to bring his "son" home from detention. He never tried to hit on the high school kid, though. He was a guy acting like a Mom instead of a Dad. I disagree with the fundies who rant and rave hateful messages against this type of movie, but I am not ready to say that anything goes in society.
1) If my kid..a ten year old boy...wanted to dress like a girl, I would not let him. Am I being mean?
2) If my 17 year old daughter told me that she liked girls and was dating one, I would not condemn them to hell or yell at her. I would probably want to meet her friend. I would not declare that everything was normal and ok, however.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-27-2005 05:15 PM

Are there unadopted kids?

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The organization I was referring to was organized Christian religions, obviously. Specifically ones that promote an unproductive (to society) view of homosexuals -- since not all Christian ministries do, there are some very nice free thinking ones out there.I would certainly not want to confuse those ministries that participate in very helpful projects to those that release flyers filled with hate and lies about homosexuals. So, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify. Sarcastic at times, perhaps -- never joking though -- this subject is very important to me. When did I say everyone was gay? That has absolutely nothing to do with it. If some guy named Bill lived in Texas and was the 1 and only homosexual person in the entire world and ever in history, should we go burn him alive?What about African and native Americans? They are both minorities as well, does that mean they shouldn't be accepted in society?For some reason you think I said homosexuality was widely accepted. Obviously it is not, there are still a lot of people who remain stedfast in their opposition to it, just look at the original post. What I'm saying is that it should be.It's hard to find real statistics on homosexuality that aren't hosted on extreme Christian fundamentalist sites that basically say "Oh, and another thing, they all have AIDS!!!" etc. However, if you'd like some numbers as far as homosexuality being socially accepted, consider Million for Marriage -- which is part of the Human Rights Campaign -- currently has 616,922 signatures and is well above schedule for reaching their target.

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bigot (n.)
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

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If the shoe fits.

As I continued to read your post, it's like I was checking people off the list for potential parents.I think the only person left is God. Congratulations.[edit typo]This message has been edited by dsv, Wednesday, April 27, 2005 07:26 PM

The current estimates say about 3-4% of the population is gay. I'd say that's a good percentage. For instance, that's a larger percentage than the number of people who are Jewish, and nobody says that being Jewish "isn't normal."Don't you find it interesting that, on a show like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy", not only do they use the word "queer" without having to explain how it's not an insult in context, but that the show really isn't about homosexuality? It's about makeovers for guys. They don't go to bathhouses. They don't talk about famous gay people or the history of gay rights activism. The fact that the five guys are gay (and I'm really not even sure that Ted the food guy is gay; I think it's an act) is basically window dressing. It's a gimmick.Gay is a gimmick on TV. That's how normal it is these days. It's gone from a taboo, to the domain of saturday afternoon specials and Lifetime miniseries, straight into gimmicks-ville. Totally normal.

Huh? How did I get into this?By the way, here are some stuff started by moi on some stats regarding gays and stuff.http://EvC Forum: Civil Unions in Vermont: Statistics -->EvC Forum: Civil Unions in Vermont: Statisticshttp://EvC Forum: State amendments regarding gay marriage -->EvC Forum: State amendments regarding gay marriagehttp://EvC Forum: Gay penguins -->EvC Forum: Gay penguinsThe last link wasn't really a stat, but it was fun. And advocating intolerance is a noble position on humanity? What I'm wondering is what does this have anything to do with what we are discussing about. So what if homosexuals make up .00000001% of the population? What's your point?

Are you trying to imply that there are no more orphans in this world and that orphanages are a thing of the past? I'd very much like to see more from you.This message has been edited by Troy, 04-27-2005 11:08 PM

Really? That low? I've always heard it was around 10% or so. This is new to me. Do you have a source?

Have you seen the movie X-Men? Unless there's some kind of homosexual registration, kind of like mutant registration, noone can really say for sure what the percentage is. I'm gay and I can't tell you most of the time if a person is gay or not.

I think it is higher than 3-4%, but still lower than 10%. My guess is around 5-6%. 3-4% seems strongly suggested. If one looks at the census numbers and one believes that gay men are less likely to be in same-sex couples than mixed-sex couples would seem to me to suggest a higher number than 3-4%. There is a higher rate of suicide and AIDS has taken its toll on the gay male population, so I think the ratio is a bit higher.