The Big Bang is NOT Scientific

Ok now after reading through the forums a little I decided to start a new topic.For starters i would like to point out a few things. I honestly think the big bang theory is not scientific at all, and I will tell you why.There are certain points of the big bang theory that i believe and certain points that i think are completely bogus.The theory that space and time were created with the big bang does not make sense at all. The evidence supporting the big bang only pertain to matter. The redshifts are based on observations made on matter not space or time.Matter and space for one are two different things. We cannot see space, cannot test it, and is basically nothing. According to current science there is no way to change space. Matter is the only observable thing in this universe, making time and space two completely different subjects, which in turn make it impossible to prove that space and time is changable by observing matter.But what I do not understand is why the big bang is accepted so much in the scientific community. It seems like humans are extremely limited to what we can see, for all we know billions of big bangs might be going on in the universe right now.(Without the space time idea)Science is only based on the observable, what is not observable is not science. This in turn makes the big bang theory not science at all, more of a religion.Who agrees?This message has been edited by lost-apathy, 04-27-2005 08:31 AM

Hello, and welcome to EvC, lost-apathy!
I am not much of a scientist..(I am the faith/belief type guy...)
but I sense that your post is a bit too long and without a focus.Perhaps you should start a topic with a title such as A lot depends on which philosophy and type of topic that you wish to expound upon.Big Bang and Cosmology? Faith and Belief? Redo your post. Bring it back to this thread and show it to us.
If we approve it, we will start it as a new thread.I respect your desire to learn and to express yourself, however! You are only going to get smarter if you listen as much as talk and have an open mind towards other belief concepts.Keep it up!

ok i edited it, now how is it?

To the other moderators,I won't stand in the way of releasing this thread, but I'm a little relucant to release threads containing errors of simple fact like "According to current science there is no way to change space." I'd love to release all kinds of topics like this for people who are interested in learning about it, but not for someone who has made no effort to educate himself about the actual scientific views and merely wants to make assertions out of ignorance.Lost-Apathy, my advice to you is to either phrase your opening post as more of an inquiry than an assertion, or do some study. If you choose the latter, though its a thick book I think many people here would endorse my recommendation of The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time and the Texture of Reality by Brian Greene. You really only need the first third to get a much better idea of what science actually says about space and time.This message has been edited by Admin, 04-27-2005 10:30 AM

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Better.
Lets review it a moment, shall we? I agree with you as an individual with an opinion.
It is my job to find out why you think as you do, and where you want to begin your dialogue. It is great to lose ones apathy. It is better to explain ones belief and share ones passion!I am saving you future trouble were you to release a post and have everyone ask you many of these same questions.
Tell me also...Faith and Belief or Universe and Cosmology? I see these as your only options.This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-27-2005 04:13 PM

I think either we have our definitions of space mixed up or that you have taken the idea of relativity as fact.Space- Place where matter ocupies.1. relativity has NO evidence for it
2. space is not changeable in this universe, because we can only observe matter. According to science there has not been a single time where we have manipulated space or time so that it is different from before.
3. science is relied on the observable. Something that cannot be observed is not science. Space and time cannot be observed. Although it can be tested, you will always get the same result. It is constant.
4. Science is not math. It can help with solving scientific problems but cannot be completely based off math.Btw I do know about space and time and I am not saying that it cannot be changed but merely that current science does not allow to change. Also that current science cannot explain how or why it changes if it is able to change.If you want me to write a paper on it explaining it mroe i can, but the other admin guy told me to shorten my post so I did. Please make up your minds.

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