Wyatt's Ark of the Covenent

And so you come here and accuse me of lying. You don't say that I'm mistaken but that I'm lying. that's not surprising, it's now and always has been a classic tactic of the Ron Wyatts, Gene Scotts, Jerry Falwell and all the other members of the Christian Right.You seem to take offense with my statement that there have been That should certainly be an easy statement to dispute if it were wrong. All that would be needed is to produce the independant verification. But you can't. Instead you trot out two absolutely pointless statements, You can't even provide proof that either of those statements are true and even if they were, they still do not support any of Ron's claims.But you should understand that I have always place Ron Wyatt in a different category than the Dr. Dinos. I don't think Ron was dishonest or trying to cheat anyone, he was simply crazy. Ron and all of his supporters are not the malicious blasphemers like Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart or Oral Roberts, they are simply so blinded by their desire to prove the Biblical stories that they are incapable of even seeing reality.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Is this guy trying for sarcasm or is he serious? I really can't tell.

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'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

Which guy?{Adminnemoseus inserts: I would think message 14 guy, to whom Jar and Alexander are replying to.}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-30-2005 03:39 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That's the guy I meant. Though I gather from post #16 that he is serious.

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'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

Jar, what do you mean that we cannot even prove that there is a Visitors Center over Ron's Noah's Ark site, or that the Saudis built a fence around Ron's Mt. Sinai site??Are you crazy?!?For over a decade we have been showing the pictures and the video footage of both places!! And you say we can't prove those things are at these sites??They ARE at these sites!Numerous people have been to these sites, numerous people have been to the Noah's Ark Visitors Center, and people have even managed to get into Saudi Arabia and verify the fence and signs around Ron's Mt. Sinai site! An yet, here it is, 10-15 years later, and you still don't understand the work that has been done at these sites and you still continue to post messages as if you know what you're talking about when you want to make Ron Wyatt's work look bad -- amazing!You're like a student who has fallen asleep in class, and then suddenly wakes up to proclaim he knows what the professor has been talking about but he really doesn't know anything that has been going on!And to the others reading this forum, I'll say it again -- I worked 10 years with Ron, and I managed his 1st museum in 1994-1996 -- so I KNOW what work has and hasn't been done!When I said that not one criticism has affected my conclusions, I have said this because with my knowledge of the discovery sites I can tell if people are actually paying attention to the evidence and when they aren't -- and when the people who don't know what they are talking about proclaim to know how to criticise the work, their criticisms have absolutely no affect upon my opinions!Again, you folks need to read over my website about Ron Wyatt's discoveries, Pinkoski.com – Works of Jim Pinkoski -- then try to say something INTELLIGENT!

Well let's just examine your evidence for those claims. I believe this is the evidence for the alleged fence, sign and guard shack.There is a fence. But the sign is simply a temporary sign, sitting on a frigging board, the supports are not even driven into the ground. And the guard shack does not appear to be a guard shack at all, or if it is, it's designed by the stupidest guards in the world. Notice that from the guard shack you can't even see the gate.I'm sorry if it bothers you to know that you were taken in and wasted a large portion of your life but your evidence here is about as good as the made up evidence of the pictoglyphs or cattle.Finally, even if there were fences and guard shacks those facts would do nothing to support Ron's assertions.Jim. Sorry, but so far you have put forward NO evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Jar, I never said that the fences or the Visitors Center were "proof" of the sites being Noah's Ark or Mt. Sinai -- I said that the fences and the Visitor Center is proof that OTHERS HAVE LOOKED AT THE SITES AND VERIFIED THAT THEY ARE SPECIAL SITES THAT NEED TO BE STUDIED AND PROTECTED!You're the one who's whinning about how "nobody else" ever verified Ron's sites -- which is an obvious lie!If no one ever went out to these sites and investigated them, then there never would have been a fence put around the mountain in Saudi Arabia and there never would have been a Visitors Center built overlooking Ron's proposed site for Noah's Ark!But both sites have contructions at them that were posted by the host country! Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE IMPRESSED BY THE **EVIDENCE** THAT THEY FOUND AT THE SITES!!!Duh!

Oh Jar Jar Jar...I see you're still the same old fox...I really feel sorry that you feel so confident in yourself about your opinions. Seriously, I do. So much light has been shed to you and you have rejected every bit of it. I know for a fact you will have no excuse in the end. Your mind shuts out any truth and you deceive yourself to interpret data as "not being evidence". In the end, you'll see visibly just how your mind works. When it comes to the Bible, suddenly evidence isn't evidence anymore. It becomes an "endless merry-go-round" until one goes crazy and asks "what IS evidence??!"No wonder scientists can't accept the true locations of Sodom and Gomorrah. You provide evidence blaring in their face that there is Sulfer that is 98% rich scattered in 5 major locations around the Dead Sea---EXACTLY as scripture says (and that the Heaven rained fire and brimstone (sulfer)on the 5 cities of the plain), yet they cannot call it "evidence", simply because it heading in the direction of the Bible. So sad indeed, but all these Godless men will one day see in the day of Judgment what they have done. They despised and scoffed at their Creator--even to denying His existence.Anyway, I've met several people who have testified that the visitors center is there. There is no denying it. I've even seen video footage. Only people who are bent on something not being true cavil with insignificant little details.mike_the_wiz,If you are sincere in learning whether the stories revolved around the finding of the Ark of the Covenant by Ron Wyatt are true, then I suggest you find a way to get a hold of the book "Discoveries: Questions Answered". The book is purchasable at Anchorstone.com, but the only downside to it is it seems to be a bit pricey. But if there could only be a way for you to get a hold of it, you would see just why it's so worth obtaining it. The book answers nearly every critic question you can imagine (including the allegations against there being a visitors center..can you believe it?). The book is full of sources, letters, lab results, and all the quotes from superiors who testify to the authenticity of all of the discoveries, including the Ark of the Covenant.Unfortunately, the Internet is not the best way to learn and find out whether these discoveries are true or false. The Internet provides a basic outline, but only the books provide any real evidence. If these books weren't sold and "all" the data just provided for free on the Internet, Wyatt Archaeological Research, etc. would not have the necessary funds for further research. This is totally understandeable.Here's the book: Shortened the link : AdminJarLet me make this serious statement:No one, and I mean NO ONE! ..should EVER come to a conclusion regarding Ron's discoveries until AFTER they have read nearly all of the 260 Questions dealt with in this book. Then they are free to think whatever they like!This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 04-30-2005 05:38 PMThis message has been edited by AdminJar, 04-30-2005 04:53 PM

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You are new aren't you?There is no idea that is too crazy. Anything is possible.

Sorry Jim but that is simply more unsupported assertions. The image seems to show a very common communications relay or sub station. Nothing more. They are almost always surrounded by fences in remote areas. But they are most definitely not guard shacks.The fact that you can show pictures of fenced infrastructure proves nothing about Ron's claims.The second site you refer to is the one where you allege there was a Golden Ark. That is an even less supported and in fact, down right incorrect and dishonest example. There is no other way to describe Ron's interpretation except dishonest.You refer to the site in this picture and then show these pictures as example of the Golden Calves.First, those images are NOT of calves, and secondly, as I have shown, they are taken out of context. I have included pictures of the rocks that the pictoglyphs you claim were taken from and when you look at the rocks you find an assortment of glyphs of many, many species, of human figures and many hunting and fertility images. When you look at the rocks in situ you find they are generic in style and content and from a people inhabiting the area thousands of years before the alleged Exodus. They are also very common throughout the area and found all across the Arabian Penninsula and acroos Northern Africa.Once again, you have provided no evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Evidence Clyde. Bring forth some evidence.We've been asking for that for years and you've yet to provide any.AbE:
Photo of a Sulphur DepositDoes this PROVE that Sodom and Gomorrah were in Iceland?This message has been edited by jar, 04-30-2005 05:04 PM

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Jar, tell me, how does that sulfur deposit in Iceland disprove the Sodom and Gomorrah sites? Even Ron Wyatt knew that there are numerous sites around the globe with high-sulfur contents. The evidence does not rely on the existence of sulfur alone, but on the constituency, consistency, and richness of the sulfur found in these 5 locations, plus numerous burn rings. This is not to mention that you have the shapes of cities and terraces all throughout these 5 locations. You have to put 2 and 2 together. It's not that hard to do.This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 04-30-2005 07:08 PM

The sulphur deposit in Iceland does NOT disprove Ron's claims, it simply shows that the presence of sulphur doesn't prove anything. The sites Ron mentions are in tectonically active areas where it is expected that you would find just such deposits. What you guys have put forward simply supports tectonic activity, something everyone already knew. It in NO Way supports either the Sodom and Gomorrah tale or their location.One of these days you might try to learn how the forum software works. That would help as well.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Hi,Lys, WB. It`s not difficult putting 2 + 2 together, trouble is you keep coming up with 5. Or 7. If the Turks have a visitor site, it wouldn`t have anything to do with catching the gullible tourist dollar, would it? If Jebel al Lawz was Sinai, don`t you think the Saudis would make a shrine of it for their people to visit? After all, it`s part of their religion, too

Perhaps this helps you.Someone other (Uzza, David's servant) than specifically assigned 'personnel', a consecrated (Levite) priest, touched the ark of the covenant, and the result was instant.1 Chronicles:
13:9 And when they came to the grain-floor of Chidon, Uzza put out his hand to keep the ark in its place, for the oxen were slipping.
13:10 And the wrath of the Lord, burning against Uzza, sent destruction on him because he had put his hand on the ark, and death came to him there before God.
13:11 And David was angry because of the Lord's outburst of wrath against Uzza, and he gave that place the name Perez-uzza, to this day.
13:12 And so great was David's fear of God that day, that he said, How may I let the ark of God come to me?
13:13 So David did not let the ark come back to him to the town of David, but had it turned away and put into the house of Obed-edom the Gittite.
13:14 And the ark of God was in the house of Obed-edom for three months; and the Lord sent a blessing on the house of Obed-edom and on all he had.Revelation 11:19 suggests that the ark has been taken back to heaven.11:19 And opened was the sanctuary of God in the heaven, and there was seen the ark of His covenant in His sanctuary, and there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.The Ark is last mentioned when Jeremiah said it is to be forgotten and not missed.And when you have multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, says the LORD, they shall no more say, The ark of the covenant of the LORD. It shall not come to mind, or be remembered, or missed; it shall not be made again. (Jer. 3:16)