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Author Topic:   Give your one best shot - against evolution
derwood
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Message 218 of 224 (13573)
07-15-2002 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Percy
07-12-2002 8:54 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Percipient:
SLPx quotes Kimura:

"...natural selection is a mechanism by which new genetic information can be created. Indeed, this is the only mechanism known in natural science which can create it."
Fred replies:

Amazing! I’m curious. Who here truly believes that new genetic information can be created merely by natural selection alone? Any takers, other than Scott?
Either there is more to Kimura's point, eg, some kind of qualification related to equating new genetic information with permutational recombinations of existing alleles, or eg, the first part of the sentence that was excised mentions additional mechanisms, etc, or I have to share Fred's skepticism that natural selection alone can create new genetic information.
--Percy

I will gladly scan and send you a copy of the paper, if you wish.

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derwood
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Message 219 of 224 (13574)
07-15-2002 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Fred Williams
07-12-2002 6:36 PM


I agree with everything edge wrote in reply to Fred's supposed response (re: tree rings and information... code.. copmplex information.. whatever Fred wants to call it to suit his immediate needs), so will not add anything else.
But as far as Dr.Tom Schneider goes, I do agree with his assessment of Fred's web site.

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derwood
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Message 221 of 224 (13583)
07-15-2002 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Fred Williams
07-11-2002 5:31 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Fred Williams:
Tree rings represent order, not complexity, and since they clearly are not a code they do not represent information, as described by Gitt, Dembski, and others.
Whatever...
You may not want to be so quick to use Demski as a source on this. He is not. afterall, an information scientist. But more importantly, Godfrey-Smith demolishes Demski's claims - even their foundational assumptions.

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derwood
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Message 224 of 224 (20489)
10-22-2002 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by peter borger
07-08-2002 8:15 AM


quote:
Originally posted by peter borger:
State of the art: molecular biology shattered the evolution theory.
Why don't you have a look at the 4 shattering arguments against evolution I posted today. (topic: the scientific end of evolution). The past 20 years have demonstrated the evolution theory to be wrong. Since science behaves like slow matter it will take a couple of decades before everyone is aware of it. (At least, if evolutionists are willing to admit it).
BWAAAHHAAAA!!!
Wow - don't know how I missed this one - Klassic Kretin Komedy at its most arrogant!

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