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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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"approaching science from God's perspective." ? If you see things from God's perspective then you are of necessity a god yourself. Yes? ------------------
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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Originally posted by doctrbill:
If you see things from God's perspective then you are of necessity a god yourself. Yes?
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Originally posted by Wordswordsman:
No. However, ...
I do have the same perspective on reality that is characteristic of deity,
So, your answer is No, with a qualified Yes?!
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Originally posted by Wordswordsman:
It couldn't be that there are many competing gods, else heavenly warfare would break out destroying everything in an instant, for the ideals of all those gods oppose each other.
A. There couldn't be competing gods, AND their ideals oppose each other? B. War between the gods would destroy everything? Wouldn't an omnipotent god have the upper hand in such a conflict? Is your god not omnipotent? BTW, If I had wanted a sermon I would have asked. db ------------------ Creationism Evolves!
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Deuteronomy 5:7 KJV What other gods? "The LORD your God is God of gods" Deut.10:17 KJV God of what? "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment" Psalm 82:1 RSV What divine council? "Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord" Psalm 86:8 KJV Which gods? Need more? db ------------------ Creationism Evolves!
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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WWman 'elohiym is referring to greatest of earthly kings regarded as gods by their subjects, potentates, magistrates, judges, angels on earth and in heaven,
Elohim is used to describe anyone special. It is used in Genesis 1 to describe the creator(s) of the universe. Elohim (God) is then modified for use in chapter two, where the creator is a specific elohim. One called YHWH Elohim (Jahovi God), as if Elohim were a family name. Now why would they go and do that? Oh, that's right, they ARE a family! db ------------------ Creationism Evolves!
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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wordwordsman
A god is a god. How could there be grades or degrees of gods?
How can there be grades or degrees of elohim? Are you aware that elohim is the word most often translated God and god and gods and goddess? "the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the terrible God," Deuteronomy 10:17 RSV All these comparatives and adjectives! You'd think that calling him god just wasn't enough. It would be superfluous if there were only one in existence. My professedly virgin wife liked to say, "Honey, you're the best." And when I'd ask her, "Compared to what?" She found it difficult answer. So, If your God is "the greatest," ... I ask you ... "compared to what?" - Is your god the terrible one? - db ------------------ Creationism Evolves!
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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WWM The true God is reality.
A truism. Unwitting on your part perhaps, but a truism nonetheless.
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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WWM "Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."
What? God isn't a self starter?! He has to be encouraged to "arise"? From whom is he going to "inherit all nations"? Does he not already own them? And why would he want to "inherit all nations"? Sounds rather like a human ambition to me. db
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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WWM GOD had called them gods in that Scripture, in the context of men of power, of judgment, not deity.
What has context to do with it? Is a god a god? Can a man be a god? Was not Jesus a god/man? db [This message has been edited by doctrbill, 10-22-2002]
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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WWM Ye are gods ... But ye shall die like men,
If they are already "men" this doesn't make much sense. Unless - men can be gods as well. Like Jesus was? An alternative possiblity might be that there were class distinctions at work here. Some men being so far elevated above the rest that they are no longer called "men". Eh? db
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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Message 103 of 106 (20668)
10-24-2002 2:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 102 by wj
10-23-2002 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by wj:
One can only get the feeling that wordswordsman is spitting the dummy because he has not been able to argue his position.
Hear Ye, Hear Ye!
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