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Tal
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Message 100 of 135 (205194)
05-05-2005 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by contracycle
05-05-2005 7:52 AM


The US.
I can't find where the UN has spent ANY money on Iraq. They've been good at trying to audit though.
So answer your own question. How much has the UN spent?
So first, you guys are saying that we haven't spent any money on reconstruction. Now that I show you we have, you suddenly think the UN is funding the whole thing?
Tisk.
This message has been edited by Tal, 05-05-2005 08:10 AM

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 101 of 135 (205196)
05-05-2005 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by jar
05-03-2005 4:50 PM


Re: On responses and reaction to terrorism
Sorry, we didn't break everything. Good generalization though. Do you have any facts on the infrastructure Coalition forces destroyed as opposed to what we've rebuilt? Or just broad, sweeping statments with no substance?

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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Message 105 of 135 (205203)
05-05-2005 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by contracycle
05-05-2005 8:36 AM


July 29, 2004
You'll recall I said in post 97
Now, before you bring up the google news from back in 2004 let me pre-counter them with this:
So I already countered your post before you posted it. That tells me you don't really read what I post, you just do a quick google to find anything you can that appears bolster your argument.
But I'll repost.
Equation for Iraq: 2,000 Projects = Progress
Wednesday, March 16, 2005
STORIES ARCHIVE BACKGROUND LINKS
Japan to Release $97 Million in Iraq AidRebuilding IraqCongress OKs WH Plan to Shift Iraq Money
BAGHDAD, Iraq Stories of homicide bombers or kidnappers get most of the news headlines out of Iraq (search) but U.S. officials working in the country want Americans to think about other things when they mull the millions of tax dollars spent there.
U.S. and Iraqi workers are joining to complete 2,000 projects funded by U.S. taxpayers, which Charlie Hess said is a sign of "good progress ... for their kids."
Local Iraqis "want clean water adequate and decent homes, good schools and quality of life, Hess, who is the director of the Project and Contracting Office, said.
According to its Web site, the Project and Contracting Office aims to "serve the people of the United States and Iraq by contracting for and delivering services, supplies and infrastructure identified within the Iraqi Relief and Reconstruction Fund, a total $18.4 billion in resources allocated by the U.S. government and taxpaying public for the rebuilding of Iraq."
In Baghdad, workers are erecting hospital, and in Kurdistan, Americans and Iraqis have come together to construct a $10 million electricity substation that will supply power to thousands of homes.
"It's wonderful to see all the Iraqi workers that are here working on a very important project," U.S. Gen. Thomas Bostick (search), who is charged with overseeing reconstruction in all of Iraq, said. "For the city, it's a very powerful message."
Now, do you have something more recent? And that article you quoted still doesn't say the UN has spent 1 Euro on anything.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 106 of 135 (205204)
05-05-2005 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by contracycle
05-05-2005 8:30 AM


quote:
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The US. I can't find where the UN has spent ANY money on Iraq. They've been good at trying to audit though.
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Man you must be able to get really good weed over there.
So you have no source that the UN has spent money on Iraq reconstruction. You just resort to insults. Thank you.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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Message 108 of 135 (205206)
05-05-2005 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by contracycle
05-05-2005 8:44 AM


28.06.04
Try again.

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Tal
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Message 118 of 135 (205293)
05-05-2005 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by contracycle
05-05-2005 9:23 AM


June 2004
No mention of UN spending money on reconstruction.
This message has been edited by Tal, 05-05-2005 01:26 PM

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 119 of 135 (205294)
05-05-2005 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by contracycle
05-05-2005 9:24 AM


Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management, according to a watchdog report published Sunday. An inspector general's report said the U.S.-led administration that ran Iraq until June 2004
June 2004
No mention of UN spending money on reconstruction.
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This message has been edited by Tal, 05-05-2005 01:28 PM

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 120 of 135 (205295)
05-05-2005 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by contracycle
05-05-2005 9:27 AM


Re: US Accused of Depleting Iraq Fund
June 2004
No mention of the UN spending money on reconstruction.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 121 of 135 (205300)
05-05-2005 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by contracycle
05-05-2005 9:32 AM


Over the course of the SRP, UN-HABITAT received a total allocation of US$ 520 million. During that period, the Agency awarded 1,372 contracts to local contractors for a total of US$ 461 million. By November 2003, when the SRP was handed over to the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Iraq , total disbursements amounted to US$ 353 million.
UN habitat handed the mission over to the CPA in 2003.
Where did the 520 mil come from?
But thank you for finally posting where the UN has spent money on reconstruction, even if it was before 2003 when no reconstruction was going on.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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Message 122 of 135 (205303)
05-05-2005 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by contracycle
05-05-2005 9:42 AM


Sure, that is what US officials WANT the public to think. Undeniably. That doesn't mean its TRUE, does it?
ROFL!!!
I'm done with this thread unless anyone else has anything meaningful to input.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 125 of 135 (205548)
05-06-2005 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Silent H
05-06-2005 6:03 AM


Allow me to pull a contracycle on you.
Syrian President Bashar Assad is hiding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in three locations in Syria, according to intelligence sources cited by an exiled opposition party.
The weapons were smuggled in large wooden crates and barrels by Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, known for moving arms into Iraq in violation of U.N. resolutions and for sending recruits to fight coalition forces, said the U.S.-based Reform Party of Syria.
Source
Now I can sit here, jump up and down on my soapbox, and say, "I'm right, your wrong, sit and spin."
By the way, I haven't heard much about worldnetdaily. Does anyone think they are legitimate?
Or we can go with
Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon
According to a former top Bush administration official, Russian special forces teams moved weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq to Syria.
"I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security.
That's newsmax.
These sites don't hold water with me unless they are confirmed by Fox, CNN, MSNBC, or BBC.
Let's see what they have to say about it.
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said his country is looking into reports that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has transferred to Syria weapons he wanted to hide -- a claim Syria denies.
"We have such reports," Sharon said in an interview Tuesday broadcast on Israel's Channel 2 television.
"We are in the process of verification of these reports," Sharon said. "What we assume -- and again I say, we have not yet finalized the reports -- is that weapons that he (Saddam) wanted to hide -- chemical weapons, biological weapons -- were indeed transferred to Syria."
CNN. There is another Syria denail story in 2003.
Uh oh....I found something from the Washington Times.
Saddam agents on Syria border helped move banned materials
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries, U.S. investigators have discovered.
The recent discovery by the Bush administration's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) is fueling speculation, but is not proof, that the Iraqi dictator moved prohibited weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into Syria before the March 2003 invasion by a U.S.-led coalition.
Not I bolded "but is not proof." My objective in all of my posts is not to slant things in favor of my argument, but to put forth objective facts, instead of, say, highlighting ONLY "Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries, U.S. investigators have discovered."
Now for my 2 cents.
We (Military/State Dept in Baghdad) KNOW there are different forms of WMD in country. We also know some went to Syria. We know it was smuggled back. Its all still classified for safety reasons, but I assure you you'll hear about them later.
Now my little paragraph up there doesn't mean anything to anyone on this board, and I realize that. But I'm putting it there so that when this information comes out, I can say, "See I told you so."
This message has been edited by Tal, 05-06-2005 10:01 AM

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5676 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 126 of 135 (205556)
05-06-2005 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Silent H
05-06-2005 6:03 AM


Holmes
Fight on WMDs boasts global backing
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The war in Iraq has set the United States at odds with some allies, but the international community is strongly supporting a U.S.-led initiative to stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction.
More than 60 nations including Russia and France, two key opponents of the Bush administration's policy toward Iraq are supporting the 19-month-old Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI). The global effort to halt arms proliferation has also gained favor from the United Nations.
Washington Times
Saddam threat 'greater than feared' Oct 6 2004
A key report on Saddam Hussein's weapons shows he was an even greater threat than previously thought, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has said.
The group hunting for the dictator's weapons of mass destruction is expected to announce it has found no evidence of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.
But Mr Straw said the Iraq Survey Group report proves "in terms of his intention", Saddam was an "even starker" threat than thought.
Mr Straw said Saddam would have built up WMDs if he had not been ousted from power.
Speaking on a trip to Baghdad, he said: "I personally am in no doubt whatever that had we walked away from Iraq and left Iraq to Saddam, Saddam would have indeed built up his capabilities, built up his strength and posed an even greater threat to the people of Iraq and the people of the region than before."
BBC
Exclusive: Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties
By Scott Wheeler
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 04, 2004
CNSNews.com) - Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans. They demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.
One of the Iraqi memos contains an order from Saddam for his intelligence service to support terrorist attacks against Americans in Somalia. The memo was written nine months before U.S. Army Rangers were ambushed in Mogadishu by forces loyal to a warlord with alleged ties to al Qaeda.
Other memos provide a list of terrorist groups with whom Iraq had relationships and considered available for terror operations against the United States.
Among the organizations mentioned are those affiliated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri, two of the world's most wanted terrorists. Zarqawi is believed responsible for the kidnapping and beheading of several American civilians in Iraq and claimed responsibility for a series of deadly bombings in Iraq Sept. 30. Al-Zawahiri is the top lieutenant of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, allegedly helped plan the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist strikes on the U.S., and is believed to be the voice on an audio tape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television Oct. 1, calling for attacks on U.S. and British interests everywhere.
The source of the documents
A senior government official who is not a political appointee provided CNSNews.com with copies of the 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service documents. The originals, some of which were hand-written and others typed, are in Arabic. CNSNews.com had the papers translated into English by two individuals separately and independent of each other
I'm not familiar with CNS news either, so take this one with a grain of salt.
This message has been edited by Tal, 05-06-2005 10:23 AM
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Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5676 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 129 of 135 (205613)
05-06-2005 1:12 PM
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05-06-2005 12:32 PM


The group also said it had been unable to complete its investigation because of security concerns and couldn't rule out an "unofficial" transfer of material.
I'm up to speed.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5676 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 130 of 135 (205615)
05-06-2005 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Silent H
05-06-2005 12:45 PM


If this is true, then that only tells me I no longer have any reason to believe anything the US gov't says.
Do I need to remind you that was EVERYBODY's intel, not just ours. Do I need to break out the quotes from Ted, John, Nanci, and Bill?
You have any position on Pakistan?
Pakistan seizes 'al Qaeda No. 3'
LAHORE, Pakistan (CNN) -- The alleged No. 3 man in al Qaeda -- believed responsible for the terror group's global operations -- has been captured in northwest Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan, Pakistani and U.S. officials said Wednesday.
CNN
Looks like we are working just fine with Pakistan. Lybia too if I'm not mistaken. We have given these countries the chance to turn things around. Some have taken us up on it, some haven't.
This message has been edited by Tal, 05-06-2005 01:21 PM

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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