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gene90
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Message 4 of 106 (16346)
08-31-2002 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JJboy
08-31-2002 1:24 AM


My church uses our own special version of the KJV exclusively for the Bible. There are a few reasons for this: (1) ensuring doctrinal homogeneity across our large and rapidly growing organization (2) Joseph Smith retranslated some of the passages of the KJV for accuracy because the KJV was all he had, and we don't want to confuse things by trying to "fit" those edited passages (which occur as an appendix in the back of the LDS Bibles) in some
other translation (3) having our own version of the Bible means we have to publish our own Bibles and therefore we cannot allow ourselves to be at the mercy of a copyright holder outside of the church (4) we publish hundreds of thousands of Bibles and distribute them to the public as a part of our missionary work -- these Bibles are not the LDS edition but run of the mill KJVs (because the KJV is not copyrighted). Though our version is better it is still most akin to the KJV and this ensures more doctrinal homogeneity between what we distribute publicly and what we use on Sunday mornings. (5) We have an enormous Bible Dictionary and Topic Guide that uses the KJV and transfer to another version would require much reinterpretation and rewriting. We have already done this for the KJV so there is no need. (6) If God wants an upgrade He will provide it to us directly.
By the way, our Bibles are fully available online. We couldn't do that if there were a non-Church copyright holder.
BTW, I'm not interested in an email discussion. Too much of an investment of time.

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gene90
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Message 7 of 106 (16375)
09-01-2002 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by John
09-01-2002 8:26 AM


[QUOTE]JJboy: [B]If you are a Mormon, what about the first chapter in your er, bible?[/QUOTE]
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It's the KJV. Notice I was talking our edition of the Bible. If I were talking about the Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants, or the Pearl of Great Price, I would have explicitly said so.
Chapter 1 of Genesis in our Bibles can be found here: Scriptures
It is worded exactly the same as a standard KJV and there are no corrected passages until immediately after the Flood. These corrected passages are found in an appendix in the back of the Bible, and are posted online. So in our Bibles we have both the original wording and the Joseph Smith translation
As for this age of the Earth thing, we don't know what the timescale is to God and we don't know if the "days" were equally long in length. I could go a long way into LDS doctrine but I don't think you would be terribly interested in that, I just don't think you should get too wound up about our Bibles and Genesis.
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gene90
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Message 11 of 106 (16432)
09-02-2002 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by nator
09-02-2002 12:00 PM


[QUOTE][B]Wow, Gene, you are LDS? All the LDS people I have ever known are very anti-evolution and anti-Big Bang.[/QUOTE]
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Conservative Protestants seem have a negative influence on other groups in the US. Catholics for example are supposed to not be against evolution but I have seen exceptions. The same is true for Latter-day Saints. Back in the 30s the First Presidency (the President of the Church we consider a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, which, BTW, are three different titles) issued a statement that basically the Church deals with the more important spiritual aspects of Creation and that Saints should make up their own minds about evolution. We have no official stance but today there seems to be a lot of anti-evolution sentiment in the highest echelons of the organization and also amongst everyday members. There is some pro-evolution sentiment at BYU. It seems the YECism is waxing amongst the Mormon population and things will probably get worse, and I blame that mostly on outside influences and partly on the fact that we're just such a devout and conservative people that we are vulnerable to that sort of thing. An interesting snapshot of the issue amongst the Saints can be found here: http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/5812
I personally keep a low profile, and it doesn't help that I live in the South. However the bishop of the ward closest to my university just happens to be a research entomologist so maybe I should risk picking his brain.
Also maybe I should mention that my Planetary Geology textbooks runs heavy on "naturalistic" models of the origin of the Solar System and it was written by BYU faculty (though I do not attend BYU, I attend a land grant college in the South).
[QUOTE][B]Are you religious at all?[/QUOTE]
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Yesterday I missed the weekly sacrament services and the monthly fast because of a bug that's going around; and that'll probably drag down the rest of my week. I try to never miss services, especially on Fast and Testimony day, the first Sunday of the month. I'm a recent convert and I've been judged temple-worthy but I haven't made it up there yet. If it further indicates my activity level, I'm seriously considering a mission. So yeah, I take my religion very seriously and I'm very fond of my church, despite the differences in opinion on evolution.
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gene90
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Message 14 of 106 (16515)
09-03-2002 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by nos482
09-03-2002 7:40 PM


[QUOTE][B]Apparently since they are all full of contradictions and errors thus proving that none of them are actually the inspired word of your god.[/QUOTE]
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How does that "prove" that none of them are inspired by God?
[QUOTE][B]The so-called "original" texts and manuscripts are irrelevant since they are not what is being taught from to hundreds of millions of Christians as the literal and inerrant word of their god.[/QUOTE]
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"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly"
(LDS) Articles of Faith.
The moral of this story: don't shoehorn all of Christianity in with the fundamentalists. It's no better than when a YEC strawmans evolution.

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gene90
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Message 21 of 106 (16553)
09-04-2002 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by nos482
09-04-2002 7:47 AM


Buddy, you're quoting the Discovery Channel without even looking for better information on the Internet. How is that much better than the average Christian?

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gene90
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Message 26 of 106 (16582)
09-04-2002 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by nos482
09-04-2002 10:55 AM


Arrg, just when I thought I'd caught you, you mention it was the Canadian version.

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gene90
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Message 27 of 106 (16583)
09-04-2002 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by nos482
09-04-2002 7:40 AM


[QUOTE][B]If they were truly inspired by god than there wouldn't be any errors and there would only be one version.[/QUOTE]
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That would be true--immediately after it was written. But since it was written over the centuries parts of it would actually have time to degrade while other parts were being written. And since it was not dictated in English it is inevitable that there are multiple versions. Factor in opportunistic publishers and you get lots more versions, most of which probably aren't needed anyway.
[QUOTE][B]And who desides if it is actully the "correct" translation?[/QUOTE]
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On the personal level we have the spirit, on the church level we have the prophet and extra-Biblical sources.
[QUOTE][B]BTW, most Christians in the world don't concider Mormons to be real Christians.[/QUOTE]
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That doesn't bother me.

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gene90
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Message 100 of 106 (20618)
10-23-2002 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Admin
10-23-2002 11:05 AM


'By their fruits you shall know them. '

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