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jar
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Message 149 of 307 (205238)
05-05-2005 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by JimSDA
05-05-2005 9:34 AM


Misdirection & Changing the subject will not work.
The in-depth answers you want are the answers that would come of an extensive 10-year investigation of the sites,
Sorry but that is an incorrect statement and an attempt to change the subject.
The questions I asked related to Ron's actions and the simple FACT of whether Turkey is a Muslim or Secular Nation. It takes NO additional research.
Did Ron withold information prejudicial to his theory?
Did Ron modify evidence, particularly photos?
Did Ron report the results of other related studies on Pictoglyphs found in Arabia and North Africa?
This is not a question about Saudi access. It's a direct challenge to Ron Wyatt and his ministry's honesty and procedures.
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Message 161 of 307 (205564)
05-06-2005 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Brian
05-06-2005 10:32 AM


Re: The AofC was covered
I could certainly agree with the characterization as "worthless evidence" and will try to remember to use that terminology in the future.
But I also strongly believe I can and have shown that Ron deliberately withheld evidence and altered evidence.

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jar
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Message 164 of 307 (205596)
05-06-2005 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by JimSDA
05-06-2005 10:50 AM


Re: The AofC was covered
JimDSA
Did Ron disclose the information about all of the other graffiti on the rock he claims was an altar?
Did Ron disclose that such pictoglyphs are common throughout the area?
Did Ron disclose that such glyphs are dated as being made between 6000-3000BC?
Did Ron disclose that even if you use Biblical chronology, the glyphs were made atleast 1000 years before the Biblical time of the Exodus?
Jim
These are not issues of evidence. They are REQUIREMENTS for evidence. When you present a hypothesis, as a researcher you are obligated to report eveything, those points that support your assertion as well as the evidence that refutes it. Anything less is dishonest and a severe breach of the scientific method and ethics.

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jar
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Message 168 of 307 (205628)
05-06-2005 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by JimSDA
05-06-2005 1:07 PM


Re: The AofC was covered
Ron has photos of the rock. He published them.
There is no need to even go to Saudi Arabia to verify the presence or dating of other such petroglyphs.
Does he, and do YOU, also publish those petroglyphs from that rock that refute your hypothesis.
Here is one from Yatib, Saudi Arabia, dating from about 2400BCE.
Did Ron and do YOU explain to your audiences that such glyphs date from 1000 years BEFORE the Biblical date of the Exodus?

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jar
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Message 171 of 307 (205647)
05-06-2005 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by JimSDA
05-06-2005 3:31 PM


Re: The AofC was covered
That has nothing to do with the issue.
The questions are:
Does he, and do YOU, also publish those petroglyphs from the rock Ron identified as part of an Altar that refute your hypothesis.
It has nothing to do with the picture I published. We are dealing with the rock Ron, and YOU are touting.
Question #2:
Did Ron and do YOU explain to your audiences that such glyphs date from 1000 years BEFORE the Biblical date of the Exodus?
Even if Ron did not have access to addtional examples, YOU now know that the pictoglyphs are common throughout the area and date from at the least, 1000 years before the Biblical date of the Exodus.
YOU can certainly change your website and present all of the evidence even if Ron can't.

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jar
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Message 175 of 307 (205666)
05-06-2005 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by JimSDA
05-06-2005 4:29 PM


Re: The AofC was covered
And I'm telling you the other picture has NOTHING to do with the questions I asked. I have NO idea when it was published. Who cares. It has NOTHING to do with the rock and MYTH Ron and YOU are trying to sell.
Are you going to publish the evidence from the ROCK YOU and Ron identified as an altar that refute your claims?
This one!
Are you going to publish the information that such pictoglyphs date from at least 1000 years before the alleged Exodus?
It's real simple JimDSA. It's time to follow standard procedures.

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jar
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Message 181 of 307 (205827)
05-07-2005 10:24 AM
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05-07-2005 9:49 AM


Re: Jar doesn't know the date ...
JimDSA
How is the date of the other picture related to whether or not Ron published all of the pictures that were on the rock he identified as an altar?

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jar
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Message 224 of 307 (206449)
05-09-2005 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 10:29 AM


Re: The cherubim "on the sides" of the lid
Okay. Once again, NO EVIDENCE.
You come here with some drawing and expect it to be taken as evidence?
Yet another classic example of Ron just making shit up.

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jar
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Message 225 of 307 (206450)
05-09-2005 11:35 AM
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05-09-2005 10:49 AM


One more example of JimDSA's misrepresentation.
And by the way, it's really disappointing to hear Jar and various people on this forum doubt the existence of angels
Please show where I said there are no angels.
You insist on trying to change the subject and when asked direct questions simply make up stuff you claim the other person said.
This is a FORMAL request for you to show where I said I doubted the existence of angels.

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jar
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Message 234 of 307 (206489)
05-09-2005 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 1:11 PM


Is there some reason you still have not answered my questions?
Did Ron Wyatt and do you publish the information that refutes your assertions such as all of the other glyphs found on the rock Ron, and YOU, claim is the Altar of the Calves?
Did Ron Wyatt and do you publish the information that refutes your assertions such as the fact that the dating of the other glyphs found on the rock Ron, and YOU, claim is the Altar of the Calves is from at least 1000 years before the Biblical date for the Exodus?

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jar
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Message 254 of 307 (206547)
05-09-2005 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 4:25 PM


Why Wyatt is considered a joke.
Jar -- what an interesting idea, to publish things that disprove what you're trying to share with people . . .
Not just interesting, it's essential.
I think that your statement goes to the heart of the issue. You simply do not understand the scientific method and what is involved in ANY field of knowledge.
You are not taken seriously, you are laughed at, because you don't understand the basics of science. You cannot select and present only the evidence that supports your assertion. Instead, you must present ALL of the evidence as well as other reasearch on the subject.
First of all, Ron died in 1999, so it's a little hard for him to respond to anything that has come to light in the past 6 years!
Sorry but that's a cop out. Even if Ron's dead there are others still hawking the stuff. You can certainly fix your website and the folk at WAR can certainly fix theirs.
You THINK that someone has successfully counter-dated some of the Saudi petroglyphs -- but the truth of the matter is that the issue is NOT settled! The debate will continue! And it may take YEARS for it to get settled, or it may NEVER get settled --
There will always be folk who may disagree, but you can certainly add a promenent display on your site saying that the vast majority of folk in the field of dating petroglyphs date them to around 6000BC and none date them any more recently than around 3000BC.
In addition you and the folk at WAR can add pictures of the other petroglyphs found on the rock and show the images in context. You can show that far from being some "altar of calves" it's a graffiti wall, replete with dogs and sheep and hunters and camels and ibex and antelope and lots and lots of schlongs.
You can also point out that the picture of the alleged guard shack is not a guard shack at all, that there is no way from inside the shack to even see the gates and that it's most likely a communcations shack unrelated to your research.
Those are all things that are well within your power and capabilities and that require nothing that you do not already have.
If anyone provides some solid evidence that completely disproves something we have for evidence, of course we would agree with it!
I seriously doubt that. If that were true you'd have dropped most of this stuff hundreds of years ago. There is more than ample evidence that the universe is more than 6000 years old, that the flood never happened and that the Exodus never happened as described in the Bible.

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jar
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Message 258 of 307 (206556)
05-09-2005 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by JimSDA
05-09-2005 5:07 PM


Re: Confounding the wise....
Again, you are avoiding the questions and issues. You also bring in yet more unsupported assertions from nicely dead folk that cannot be examined.
Other than hasten this thread towards the Witching Hour when it will be put gracefully to sleep, you have contributed NOTHING, per usual.
The least you could do is to implement the suggestions made and provided all the evidence that refutes your assertions (and Ron's as well) prominently on your website.
It would be the Christian as well as scientific thing to do.

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jar
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Message 294 of 307 (206848)
05-10-2005 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by JimSDA
05-10-2005 5:15 PM


Re: Bernard Brandstater's letter....
"Charles Knight and several members of the EvC discussion forum attempted last week to break into a cave in the Garden Tomb area in Jerusalem to disprove the claims of the late Ron Wyatt of Nashville, TN, but for a mysterious reason all 10 of the EvC forum members were struck down just outside the cave system by mysterious circumstances, and they all died en route to the hospital."
You know, if that statement wasn't so totally childish and sophomoric, it might be considered a threat. But fortunately, it is childish and sophomoric and so can be simple chalked up to the nonsense of an infantile poster.

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jar
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Message 296 of 307 (206855)
05-10-2005 8:00 PM
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05-10-2005 7:31 PM


Yes Boss
I will try to behave.

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