Omniscience of Divine Being.

The more I think about it, the more I disagree with this.Why must a "choice" be possessed by only one being for it to be meaningful? This is what I was explaining with the marriage illustration.

No, because a book character does not "think".

Because the the choice was made (during creation) by god and god alone, it must have been because the you didn't exist when god set everything into motion.

and im saying that if god created everything and has infinate foresight, then we do not really "think" either. We are just playing out the story the author(god) wrote.

The action to proceed was of my own freewill, but the action of hitting the kid was not because I didn't know that I would or desire to hit him.

Then you had no freewill in the consequence of that act even though you chose to act or not.

And if god had knowledge of the tragedy to occur then how could the road travelled have been a choice?

If god has the knowledge of the future event you must follow the path to that event or it cannot have occured for god to obtain knowledge of it.

Because you wanted to act and you acted.

sidelined writes:If god has the knowledge of the future event you must follow the path to that event or it cannot have occured for god to obtain knowledge of it.

Hangdawg13 writes:Right.

1. thinking does not equal choice, in order to respond (if god is all powerfull and all knowing) all that needs to happen is what he wanted to happen, which includes me feeling and doing exactly what he wanted me to do.

what your saying is that you do belive in an all powerful all knowing god and you are changing the definition of free will in order to make it fit that belief

Stormwolfx2x writes:and im saying that if god created everything and has infinate foresight, then we do not really "think" either. We are just playing out the story the author(god) wrote.

sidelined writes:...But you had no choice in either the action or want to act because the path was already assigned.

Dawg13 writes:So suppose freewill is just an illusion. Suppose the universe is an illusion, and we are really in a matrix inside a computer as big as the universe. Is there a difference between a perfect illusion and reality?

Dawg13 writes:Alright... this isn't getting anywhere.

Prophex writes:In my global history class a topic about Calvin the famous catholic church reformer after Luther was brought up. He is most known for his teaching of predestination.In the class, chatter rose about him actually being right. Well I needed to see if what the man preached was in his source, the bible. I found a good two verses that agree with the theory pretty much.
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.Ephesians 1:11 - In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will..Well, so far on my journey, I have thought that God knows what you do before you do it. But a few ideas and doubts are raised.
Is it really "free" will? Because if he knows than it sounds like a game and we are puppets being played out.This to my understanding cannot be true, because of how we Choose our destiny, how every action that we make effects someone else, effects the world around us, in whatever way.I have come to accept the idea that God knows the final result, where we end up by what actions we do. But he lets us choose it by what we do. I think I have adopted this philosophy from a movie I recently saw called "Waking Life", dream is destiny where a famous professor talked of this same subject for about 10 minutes.But when you think about it, the truth about the world we live in is tangled and hard to see through all of the chaos. But because of my belief in a creator certain things come into place, matters of faith, and tradition seem to be trivial. I think the issue of a divine being not only existing but why we are here sort of, the meaning of life maybe is the most important issue.When I look at the world I see a world straight out of "1984", and "The Lord of Flies", a world of confusion, corruption, and with no meaning. It becomes apparent that there is a Being, and rejecting (Him) blocks the spiritual journey. When I got past that a long time ago, I never questioned Calvin's main idea, never knew it was his. But now I am seeing tiny flaws.The Protestant Reformation focused on people's mistakes. Luther saw these and reformed the Church. I begin to believe that there are many paths to enlightenment, the one I am taking as a Christian is something that needs great thought I am finding out.Is there anyone who can help me with this issue, try to answer the question of God's Omniscience existing, and Predestination. Are we Robots? What do you think? I am struggling as you can see, if anyone can shed some light on this please go ahead.