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Jianyi Zhang
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Message 166 of 305 (206760)
05-10-2005 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Wounded King
05-10-2005 8:12 AM


I have read them, and indeed addressed most of them. The problem is that none of them actually consititute anything remotely resembling positive evidence for your theory.
My interpretation is that you lack ability to understand them.

Jianyi Zhang

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TheNewGuy03
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Message 167 of 305 (206761)
05-10-2005 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Wounded King
05-10-2005 9:10 AM


Heh.
What does one do to have a sufficient understanding of evolution? Become an evolutionist...?

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Jianyi Zhang
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Message 168 of 305 (206766)
05-10-2005 11:56 AM
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05-10-2005 9:10 AM


You have shown neither evidence to substantiate this nor even a sufficient grasp of evolutionary theory to begin to argue it.
I am not interested to convert any Neo-Darwinians to somebody else.
If you do not think they are the evidences, I do not mind.
As long as it is the truth, it will prevail, just a matter of time.
I do not think you at the level to understand it. I just give up.

Jianyi Zhang

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Wounded King
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Message 169 of 305 (206771)
05-10-2005 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Jianyi Zhang
05-10-2005 11:43 AM


Then why not address my rebuttals to show my lack of understanding instead of simply presenting the same 'evidence' over and over again as if it is self confirming?
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 170 of 305 (206772)
05-10-2005 12:22 PM
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05-10-2005 11:46 AM


Re: Heh.
No, they have to show some familiarity with modern evolutionary theory and ideally be able to refer cogently to the contemporary scientific literature.
Jianyi has done neither of these things. He is attacking a strawman formulation of modern evolutionary theory and relying on 'evidences' which give no support at all to his claims, many of which he clearly fails to understand, i.e. the origin of mitochondria.
TTFN,
WK

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TheNewGuy03
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Message 171 of 305 (206778)
05-10-2005 12:41 PM
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05-10-2005 12:22 PM


Re: Heh.
What is the origin of mitochondria?
Αγάπη,
Το Παιδί

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nator
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Message 172 of 305 (206802)
05-10-2005 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Jianyi Zhang
05-10-2005 11:56 AM


Please give me some citations for your published work.
Who was your PhD advisor?

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Message 173 of 305 (206803)
05-10-2005 3:12 PM
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05-10-2005 3:10 PM


Who was your PhD advisor?
Dr. Zhiang is an M.D.

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Message 174 of 305 (206839)
05-10-2005 6:50 PM
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05-10-2005 3:12 PM


Same person?
How do you know it is the same person?
Also JZ said they have a degree in biology and an MD does not constitute any particular strengths in biology (other than more relative to a degree in physics say).
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Jianyi Zhang
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Message 175 of 305 (206876)
05-10-2005 9:44 PM
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05-10-2005 11:46 AM


Re: Heh.
What does one do to have a sufficient understanding of evolution? Become an evolutionist...?
I have the anwere, become a Neo-Darwinist.

Jianyi Zhang

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Wounded King
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Message 176 of 305 (206921)
05-11-2005 4:12 AM
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05-10-2005 6:50 PM


Re: Same person?
Jianyi's website gives a brief resume-
The author, Jianyi Zhang, received his medical degree from Peking Medical College (currently, Peking University Health Science Center), China in 1982, and obtained his doctorate in molecular biology and master’s degree in preventive medicine in USA. Currently, he practices as a private physician in USA.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 177 of 305 (206925)
05-11-2005 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by TheNewGuy03
05-10-2005 12:41 PM


Mitochondria
This has already been covered briefly in post no. 26.
I can give you a more detailed review of the current literature if you like but I think it would be off topic for this thread. If you are interested you might start a thrad specifically on endosymbiosis.
TTFN,
WK

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nator
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Message 178 of 305 (206988)
05-11-2005 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Jianyi Zhang
05-10-2005 9:44 PM


Re: Heh.
Why are you not providing any citations to your publications?
I would very much like to read them.
Who was your Biology PhD advisor?
I am starting to think you maybe made a mistake when you said you have a PhD in Biology.

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Wounded King
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Message 179 of 305 (206995)
05-11-2005 8:29 AM
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05-11-2005 8:11 AM


Re: Heh.
He could have a PhD and no publications, it isn't unheard of, especially as he is a practicing physician for whom academic publications are not neccessarily a priority.
I have to say I think this is an unneccessary line of enquiry. I certainly wouldn't want to give out details like that online about myself.
Surely whether he has a PhD or not is totally irrelevant to the quality, or lack thereof, of his argument. If his PhD is the only support for his argument then you know exactly how much weight you should lend to it.
TTFN,
WK

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EZscience
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Message 180 of 305 (207002)
05-11-2005 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Wounded King
05-11-2005 8:29 AM


Qualifications
I agree. Publications count for something.
Just being a doctor, MD or otherwise, doesn't mean much.
There are a lot of PhD's that aren't worth the paper they are written on.
Unfortunately, I have witnessed quite a few of them successfully defended at major land grant universities in my own discipline.
An argument should rest on its own merits, not on the qualifications of the debater.
Otherwise the debate just becomes a pissing contest.
Edited to add title.
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