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compmage
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Message 116 of 193 (20449)
10-22-2002 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by John
10-22-2002 2:29 AM


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Originally posted by John:
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Suffice to say the Church does not recognize same-sex marriages. I
don't think that's a problem because gay people are not required to join unless they want to, and if they believe in the church, then obviously they must also believe the policy is correct. Theology is a package-deal and I don't think anyone should criticize us for it.

Can't really argue here.

While theology is a package deal, if that package contains illegal or immoral chapters then it should be criticised and a lot worse. Note, I am not saying that the LDS church does anything immoral or illegal. I don't know enough about it, however just because the 'bad' parts for part of a package with many 'good' parts in no way makes the 'bad' parts acceptable.
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compmage
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Message 123 of 193 (20494)
10-22-2002 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by John
10-22-2002 9:13 AM


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Originally posted by John:

Yeah, I agree. I should have been more clear with my response. What I can't argue with is the idea that people do get to choose. The LDS is not some Leviathan that can force its will on people.

No, it isn't, as to people choosing...while I agree when it comes to adults converting to LDS (though I'm sure some convert without knowing the churches stance on some matters), what about children that are raised in the LDS church? How many of these actually evaluate the values they have been taught? How critical will they really be when too question the church is a sin? How much of a choice is it when other options are feared?
Again, I don't know about the LDS church, I'm just using it as an example because it is the church being discussed here.
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Message 156 of 193 (20670)
10-24-2002 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by gene90
10-23-2002 3:38 PM


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Originally posted by gene90:

I have actually wondered this about all religions, and never reached a solution. Do parents have the right to teach their children their religious values? (I can hear lots of people recoiling in horror right now). The question is absurd, but I don't *really* know the answer. However, should I rear children, I'm sure you can all guess what religion they will first be exposed to...

As far as I am concerned, children should be taught how to think critically and how to reason properly and then allowed to choose their own path. Teaching a child your version of right from wrong is easier than teaching it how to reason right from wrong. Hell, many adults can't always tell you why they think something is wrong, it just is.
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compmage
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Message 175 of 193 (20767)
10-25-2002 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by gene90
10-24-2002 5:11 PM


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Originally posted by gene90:

No, I never said that existing abuse laws should be nulled. But I think that gov't shouldn't require teaching of logic or interfere with parent's teaching their kids whatever religion they want.

I was giving my opinion on how a child should be raised. It is how I am going to try and raise my son. I never ment to imply that this is the method the government should force all parents to adopt. The fact that I consider force-feeding a child religion damaging and abusive does not mean that I should be allowed to force you (or anyone else) to raise your children in any manner different from what you think is best. I am excluding parents that think burning children with irons or some such is acceptable, etc.
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