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doctrbill
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Message 153 of 177 (20669)
10-24-2002 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by nos482
10-22-2002 7:57 PM


quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
"'How could the Son of God have a brother?'"

Both David and his son Solomon were called "son of God" as were probably all kings of Israel. The appellation was employed by virtually every king, or would-be king and emperor of the ancient, and not so ancient, world.
So, What's the big deal if one more calls himself that?

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doctrbill
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Message 157 of 177 (20760)
10-25-2002 12:12 AM
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10-24-2002 8:11 AM


quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
"'How could the Son of God have a brother?'"

quote:
Originally posted by doctrbill: What's the big deal if one more calls himself that (Son of God)?
quote:
Originally posted by nos482: Because Jesus was asserted to be the literal son of god. Joseph wasn't his genefather. And it is taught that Mary didn't have anyother children.
As I have pointed out, every king or would-be king was called "Son of God".
David, Solomon, and the Caesar's were called, "Son of God".
In the political climate of 30 A.D. it was particularly unsafe to make such claim to royalty. Jesus requested that his disciples not even repeat the expression in relation to himself. Make no mistake, the Romans knew exactly what it meant. Why do you suppose they bothered to review his case?
Can a son of god have brothers?
I ask you, Who are they whom the scripture calls, "the sons of god"?
When someone came up to Jesus at a meeting and said, "Your mother and your brothers are outside." He responded. "Who are my mother and my brothers? . . . Those who do the will of my father".
db

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doctrbill
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Message 159 of 177 (20788)
10-25-2002 11:22 AM
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10-25-2002 7:41 AM


quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
If he was such an important person why aren't there any records of his trial and execution? The Romans were very good record keepers.
I was arguing within the myth.
I have no doubt, however, that a real Jesus lived and died in Palestine during that time. In fact there were probably several. The New Testament narratives, however, appear to be embellished as historical fictions often are. It's a great story but is probably a compilation of the lives of several Jewish Messiah's rather than the true story of one man's life. I think I could safely say that it is, "Based on a True Story."
db

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doctrbill
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Message 167 of 177 (20818)
10-25-2002 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Mammuthus
10-25-2002 11:24 AM


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Originally posted by Mammuthus: Monty Python's Life of Brian would be consistent with this as well
Love it so much that I bought a copy.
db

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