Why would the apostiles have lied?

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Originally posted by nos482:

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Because Jesus was asserted to be the literal son of god. Joseph wasn't his genefather. And it is taught that Mary didn't have anyother children.

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It is taught in some sects of Christianity, but the good book itself is silent on the issue. It doesn't say one way or the other whether Mary had other kids.

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Like I had said elsewhere, much is being taught of the bible which isn't actually in the bible. It is the same with Adam and Eve as well with their children.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-24-2002]

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Originally posted by doctrbill:
As I have pointed out, every king or would-be king was called "Son of God".
David, Solomon, and the Caesar's were called, "Son of God".

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In the political climate of 30 A.D. it was particularly unsafe to make such claim to royalty. Jesus requested that his disciples not even repeat the expression in relation to himself. Make no mistake, the Romans knew exactly what it meant. Why do you suppose they bothered to review his case?

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Can a son of god have brothers?
I ask you, Who are they whom the scripture calls, "the sons of god"?

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When someone came up to Jesus at a meeting and said, "Your mother and your brothers are outside." He responded. "Who are my mother and my brothers? . . . Those who do the will of my father".

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If he was such an important person why aren't there any records of his trial and execution? The Romans were very good record keepers.

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Originally posted by nos482:
If he was such an important person why aren't there any records of his trial and execution? The Romans were very good record keepers.

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I was arguing within the myth.

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I have no doubt, however, that a real Jesus lived and died in Palestine during that time. In fact there were probably several. The New Testament narratives, however, appear to be embellished as historical fictions often are. It's a great story but is probably a compilation of the lives of several Jewish Messiah's rather than the true story of one man's life. I think I could safely say that it is, "Based on a True Story."

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No one named Jesus ever lived back then. Jesus is a later translation of the name Yoshua and this is a very common name.

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No one named Jesus ever lived back then. Jesus is a later translation of the name Yoshua and this is a very common name.

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So it is a later translation of a hebrew name? Big deal, even if this is correct. I haven't tried to verify your claim, and, as usual, you haven't posted reference.

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Whatever turns your crank.

Originally posted by John:Are you serious? This is your idea of a reply? This is the best defense you can dream up? This is your answer to evidence? And to my request for evidence? LOL......... you get funier by the day. Attending the Wordswordsman school of debate perhaps? You and he show about the same reguard for evidence.With your attitude lately with regards to anything I say you will just be contrary. I'd say day and you will say night.

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Originally posted by nos482:
With your attitude lately with regards to anything I say you will just be contrary. I'd say day and you will say night.

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Feeling persecuted, Nos?

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This is bullshit. I have never once disagreed with you simply because it is you. I disagree when I think you are wrong, and I tell you why I think so. This is how people learn. But you can't get past being told you're wrong. You don't like it. You react emotionally and viciously, and damn the evidence. Never mind defending the position, just attack or dismiss. This is straight from the Fundie 101 textbook.

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Now drop this childish crap and actually contribute something to this board.

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Whatever.

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Originally posted by gene90:
Geez, John, he's worse on you....

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The worst thing Nos could do to me is provide evidence and argue rationally. I think I'd pass out-- maybe fall off my chair and hurt myself.

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You're doing a bit of selective reading. On most occasions I do provide evidence. You have just become tiresome and irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Admin:
Nos482,

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Could we please request that you participate more constructively. Please try to rise above your suspicions that others aren't dealing forthrightly with your posts to nonetheless treat others with respect.

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Board resources are also deserving of respect. Quoting two entire messages for a one word reply is wasteful. If you'd like to pay the bills then, by all means, waste away, but until then more care would be greatly appreciated.

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Thank you!

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The way these two are going about their postings in regard to me will only degrade into a flame war and I'm just getting tired of them.

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Originally posted by Admin:
But it is the judgment of this flawed moderator that you are too quick to jump to the conclusion that someone is yanking your chain. Persuasion by message board is not a quick process, and more patience will probably bring you better and more satisfying results.

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If I were "too quick to jump..." I would have given up on them long ago. They are being contrary in regards to me.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-26-2002]