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AdminJar
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Message 219 of 304 (207380)
05-12-2005 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by wj
05-12-2005 4:19 AM


Re: Stop it RAZD
IMHO, yes, it's the board position. And I certainly understand just how great the need and urge to call someone a liar can be. I've been in many a thread where I would have loved to do so.
But here's the problem. Everytime that seems to happen here the almost immediate result is a redlined thread of "Yes you are!, No I'm not!" which then seems to roll over into a separate "Tommy called me a bad name" thread followed by a "Billy did it first" thread.
If you'll take a second and dispassionately look at some of the threads in question I believe you can see what I mean. Just look at the number of threads, posts and messages that this has generated.
And over what? We're arguing over comments in an Internet Discussion Forum folk. Please, let's get some perspective.

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Message 244 of 304 (208786)
05-16-2005 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Silent H
05-16-2005 6:17 PM


Re: question on reporting abuses
That's a suggestion that we have been discussing for some time now. There are several problems involved that quite frankly, we haven't found an answer for. For example, we have several members who cry foul every time someone disagrees with them, a few that are constantly impugning the motives of other posters and some that simply will not follow the rules nohow.
But we are talking about these issues and trying to come up with something that might help. We just don't have any good ideas yet.

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AdminJar
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Message 270 of 304 (209524)
05-18-2005 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Buzsaw
05-18-2005 9:48 PM


Bible A&I ...
is among the science based forums. It's for discussing the accuracy of the Bible from an external, evidentiary postion.
There is a forum called Bible Studies that is one the Faith based forums were you can discuss things such as the meaning of a passage.
I hope this helps explain things for you.

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AdminJar
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Message 274 of 304 (209541)
05-19-2005 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Buzsaw
05-18-2005 11:50 PM


Re: Bible A&I ...
Frankly, right now I'm not sure there is a place where you can debate ID but we are discussing the possibility of opening an ID forum over in the Faith side where your ideas would likely have a better audience.
Bible A&I is meant to examine the Bible using the same method as science, in otherwords, follow the evidence and look for external support.
What might be a good idea if you wish to discuss some aspects of Biblical Accuracy would be to propose a PNT on your topic of choice to be discussed in the Bible Study forum. There you could use internal features of the Bible to support your viewpoint while in the Bible A&I you would have to support your position with external evidence.

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Message 286 of 304 (209679)
05-19-2005 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Faith
05-19-2005 12:49 PM


Trying to explain the separation
Let me see if I can explain the thinking that is going on by using an example.
Consider the Biblical tale of the Flood.
In the science based forum where the flood has been discussed, one requirement is that assertions MUST be backed up with external evidence. We've had interminable discussions that revolve around just that point.
The key though is that there must be external supporting objective evidence and it must remain constant and acroos multiple fields of inquiry.
Nowhere though, in those discussions does the question of "What does the story mean" or "What is the significance of the story?" arise.
Those are important and relevant questions but they are also qustions that cannot be answered through the scientific method. They would be great topics for the Bible Study forum.
The same is true of either Creationism or ID. Both can be interesting subjects to discuss, but until they develop a methodology and actual theory, one that can be tested objectively and refuted, they will never be Science. To be Science they would first need to begin with an acknowledgement that "If the evidence shows the premise is false, then I will discard this assumption and follow the evidence.
How many Creationists are going to be willing to say that if the evidence does not support a God created world I will joyfully discard the concept of a God created world?
To ever move them into the realm of Science, those are the requirements.

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AdminJar
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Message 291 of 304 (209790)
05-19-2005 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Faith
05-19-2005 8:29 PM


A classic example of why Creationism and ID is not considered Science.
One more try. Your post is exactly why ID and Creationism are unlikely to ever become Science or Scientific.
You say:
We start from the inviolable Biblical premise, we start from the position that Biblical revelation is a KNOWN, and that everything we observe must be explained within its terms.
That is the failing. When you have already determined the conclusion you have moved from the realm of science into something else.

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Message 304 of 304 (209817)
05-19-2005 9:36 PM


Witching Hour Folk
Time to close this down. A Continuation thread will be created.
Reminder to all Admins, update your signatures.

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