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Dead Parrot Member (Idle past 3346 days) Posts: 151 From: Wellington, NZ Joined: |
Seconded, It's making my brain itch.
Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The moral is very simple. The original caller as well as the folk we sent out on site found a bodacious big fire. Their response was "The whole world'son fire".
Now those of us still lounging at the fire house could reach over, place our hands on the wall (one of the key tests when a call came in at night. If the wall was not yet hot, the fire was not close enough to be threatening and so you could safely go back to sleep) and be assured that in fact, the Whole world was not on fire. So it was with the Great Flood. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Jar,
Do you agree with those who see the flood story as being brought in from the Babylon flood story? That makes the most sense to me. lfen
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'd say it was one of the sources.
But floods were something extreme, yet familar to all civilations that grew up on plains. In the case of the Biblical Flood Myths I imagine there were multiple sources, Babylonian, possibly part Egyptian as well as several local tales. The biggest reason to lean towards Babylonian and local sources is the bit about rain. The Biblical myth definitely connects local events, long monsoon like rains, with the arrival of the waters and a slow drain off period. That is an entirely different flavor than the Egyptian floods which came regularly and where the cause of the flood was hidden from knowledge. The Biblical flood myth seems to point to something unusual, a unique event (or events) as opposed to something that happened regularly and is seen as totally destructive in nature as opposed to the Egyptian view where the flood is considered life giving. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Specter Inactive Member |
Therefore, are you saying that the sources could be telling us that the Babylonian area only flooded and not the whole world, yet the bodacious tempest made it seem like the whole world flooded?
Either way, it destroys our interpretation of God.Which is why we need the Faith to trust in the Bible's interpretation.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sure. It may not even have been all of Babylon but only one small valley or town.
Either way, it destroys our interpretation of God. Why? And even if that were true, what relevance does it have? Are you concerned with your interpretation of God or GOD? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Specter Inactive Member |
Obviously!What, did you think I'm the person who disrespects my God, who takes his name in vain?
EDIT: We see God as the type of God who promises to protect us from worldwide flood. If there was no worldwide flood, then there must be no God or no truth in that experience at all! This message has been edited by Specter, 05/19/2005 12:53 PM
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
We see God as the type of God who promises to protect us from worldwide flood. It is okay. God saw the error of his ways and repented, He said he won't do it again. Just hope He wasn't lying again. Brian.
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Specter Inactive Member |
Lying again? Clarify...
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Mike, the Secret Service Agent, said that he would lay down his life to save the President. Unfortunately, the opportunity never arose.
Was mike's commitment less real? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Jar,
This seems the equivalent of asking if Schroedinger's cat is dead or alive. lfen
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.
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Specter Inactive Member |
Now, was that really a lie? The day they ate of it they did die.
"For a day to the Lord is as a thousand years." -Ezekiel. GOd finds this very important so he repeats it in Numbers, Revelation, and one other book... Adam and Eve did not live as long as Methuselah, who lived 969 years. 1 Day:------------------------Noon--------------------------End of Day0----100----200----300----400----500----600----700----800----900----* ******************************************************************* * = Methuselah's Lifespan NOTE:No man has ever lived up to the end of their day. If 969 < 1000, then God wasnt kidding when he said that we'd die the same day. After all, a day to our Lord is a thousand years. "God is not a man, that he should lie, nore the son of a man, that he should repent." God knew what he was doing in the Flood, and I don;t see how he has ever lied. If you find a better example, tell me. EDIT: What new edition of the Bible are you reading? The bible actually says, "...for in the day that you eat of it, thou shalt surely die." Why? Because it's true that it happened just as he predicted. Not "when" you eat of it, but "in the day" you eat of it. SO there. This message has been edited by Specter, 05/23/2005 10:07 AM
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
The word "as" indicates a simile - i.e. a figure of speech. It is not meant to be taken as literally "a day = a thousand years". If the Bible translators had agreed with your interpretation, they would not have rendered it as a simile.
(Aside: I find it amusing that Bible "literalists" will claim that "a day = a thousand years" and also claim that a "day" of creation must be 24 hours.)
Specter writes:
But God does repent:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nore the son of a man, that he should repent." Genesis 6:6-7 writes: And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.And the LORD said: 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and fowl of the air; for it repenteth Me that I have made them.' This message has been edited by Ringo316, 05-23-2005 09:11 AM People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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cmanteuf Member (Idle past 6766 days) Posts: 92 From: Virginia, USA Joined: |
Specter writes: EDIT: What new edition of the Bible are you reading? The bible actually says, "...for in the day that you eat of it, thou shalt surely die." Why? Because it's true that it happened just as he predicted. Not "when" you eat of it, but "in the day" you eat of it. SO there. I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not, which is a reflection of my poor skills at this sort of thing. Nonetheless, to play the straight man, NIV uses that translation. Genesis 2:17; NIV - but you must not eat from the tree of - Bible Gateway; So one would expect that Zondervan's army of NIVlets would use the same translation. Chris
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