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halcyonwaters
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Message 1 of 8 (15182)
08-11-2002 5:53 AM


When I first began studying the Bible, one of the resources I used was www.skepticsannotatedbible.com -- with his pointing out supposed contradictions and absurdities, I found it enjoyable to go try and research for an answer.

Well... time has passed, and I thought it to be a fun project to create a rebuttal for the whole website. I just thought I'd check if anyone knows if this has been done before?

If anyone has interest in helping out, that would make things go a bit faster I take the Bible at face-value though, and that's how I intend to go about this project.

David


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Wordswordsman
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Message 2 of 8 (20326)
10-20-2002 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by halcyonwaters
08-11-2002 5:53 AM


quote:
Originally posted by halcyonwaters:
When I first began studying the Bible, one of the resources I used was www.skepticsannotatedbible.com -- with his pointing out supposed contradictions and absurdities, I found it enjoyable to go try and research for an answer.

Well... time has passed, and I thought it to be a fun project to create a rebuttal for the whole website. I just thought I'd check if anyone knows if this has been done before?

If anyone has interest in helping out, that would make things go a bit faster I take the Bible at face-value though, and that's how I intend to go about this project.

David


For many years books and websites have come out doing just that. Actually, it is possible to paste any one of those absurdities into a search engine and find sometimes hundreds of good arguments already made, ready to copy/paste. I dount there is one supposed contradiction claim not known and successfully argued as false. But if you would like to pursue, it could be fun, though time consuming.


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Brian
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Message 3 of 8 (20822)
10-25-2002 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Wordswordsman
10-20-2002 7:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Wordswordsman:
quote:
Originally posted by halcyonwaters:
When I first began studying the Bible, one of the resources I used was www.skepticsannotatedbible.com -- with his pointing out supposed contradictions and absurdities, I found it enjoyable to go try and research for an answer.

Well... time has passed, and I thought it to be a fun project to create a rebuttal for the whole website. I just thought I'd check if anyone knows if this has been done before?

If anyone has interest in helping out, that would make things go a bit faster I take the Bible at face-value though, and that's how I intend to go about this project.

David


For many years books and websites have come out doing just that. Actually, it is possible to paste any one of those absurdities into a search engine and find sometimes hundreds of good arguments already made, ready to copy/paste. I dount there is one supposed contradiction claim not known and successfully argued as false. But if you would like to pursue, it could be fun, though time consuming.


** Only successfully argued if you bury your head in the sand.
One observation I have made after countless debates with bible inerrantists in chatrooms, forums and e-mail discussions, is that these inerrantists have never studied the bible in a formal setting. I have studied under world famous bible scholars and not a single one would entertain an inerrant bible, it simply wasnt written to be an accurate record of anything, be it science, geography or history. It was written for a specific religous purpose, to tell of God's relationship with his chosen people, the authors, whoever they may be, were not interested in recording accurate history and to think they were shows an ignorance of bible studies.

My advice to people that uphold an inerrant bible is to go to a local college and pass an 'introduction to the bible' course, if available, then try and complete a theology degree at a recognised university.

Once this is done, you will see why a position of inerrancy is ludicrous.

A final observation, the desparate attempts of people to uphold bible inerrancy only weakens the respect non believers have for the bible, you try to make it something that it wasnt meant to be. If you are so sure of your faith focus on matthew ch.25 and follow Jesus' teachings, feed a tramp instead of making a fool of yourselves and your religion in forums such as this one.

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Message 4 of 8 (20865)
10-26-2002 12:05 AM
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10-25-2002 6:51 PM


Hey Brian - who did you study with? Anyone I might know in Scotland?

Anyway, there is only really one way to sum up Wordswordman's contributions ... Gonnae nae dae that? How? Just gonnae no.


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Brian
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Message 5 of 8 (20872)
10-26-2002 6:31 AM
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10-26-2002 12:05 AM


Hi MP

I stuided with Murray Macbeath (sadly dead now), John Drane, Keith Whitelam and Alastair Hunter

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 6 of 8 (20880)
10-26-2002 12:21 PM
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10-26-2002 6:31 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Brian Johnston:
Hi MP

I stuided with Murray Macbeath (sadly dead now), John Drane, Keith Whitelam and Alastair Hunter


So you certainly did study wiht the best. I am very sorry to hear about Murray Macbeath's death - a very sad loss, especially to Stirling, as he awas the backbone of the department there. Sounds as if you have a similar background to me - Glasgow and Aberdeen?


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Brian
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From: Scotland
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Message 7 of 8 (20883)
10-26-2002 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Mister Pamboli
10-26-2002 12:21 PM


I was at Stirling and still at Glasgow.

J. Drane was still at Stirling when I was there, he was my honours advisor.

Keith is at Sheffield now. Keith is a real gentleman, he has done me some big favours and I am still in contact quite regularly with him.

Alastair is much the same, nothing is too much trouble for him.

Murray was a gem as well, he was my course advisor in 1994.

Anyway, its nice to meet you and im sure we can share some knowledge in this forum.

Bria

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 8 of 8 (20891)
10-26-2002 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Brian
10-26-2002 1:13 PM


Cool - I was at Glasgow for Philosophy rather than Theology. It was a wonderful department in my day - I guess it still is. Mary Haight and Pat Shaw are still there I believe, and Angus McKay is extremely interesting on the philosophy of religion. And of course there is the excellent Alexander Broadie. If you get a chance to hang out with any of them, I'm sure you would find it really interesting.

If you have an interest in evolution you will of course know the Hunterian Museum: a wonderful collection, excellent displays and really excellent staff who understand these issues really well. Jim Devine handles the education side - I guess he has to field the questions from the public. And Neil Clark is one of the most personable paleontologists you will meet - thorough knowledge of his subject and really good communication skills. Well worth looking up those guys too.

Have fun there - have a drink in the Aragon for me!


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