General discussion of moderation procedures

Hi again Ve....torix.
The forum guidelines specify keeping on topic. Like if topic is about science or religion, et al, the subjects listed above would be off topic. Like if topic were about any one of the above subjects, it would be, by the same token, imo, off topic for me to introduce into the topic discussion words like Jerusalem, quazar, automobile, wrench, peat moss, spark plug, et al.This thread is about moderation, not about the anatomy of humankinds, what humankinds do in bed, what humankinds do on the toilet stool, female dogs and such. Savvy?This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-02-2005 10:33 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

All too often gays and gay lubbers tend to consider information and opinions about deviant lifestyle as unwarranted attacks,, when in fact folks practicing deviant lifestyles may critique traditional lifestyles till the cows come home. So really it's not a concession when the post is about information and opinion.(deviant=to deviate.)

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

.......Or say anything ideologically incompatible with the majority view. I enjoyed a few days with science forums priviledge and BOOM, with NO warning Percy bans me after my first science post which advocated an intelligent design solution to the energy/BB origins mystery in the energy/BB thread. Now, I, one of the scanty few ID creationists am even banned from the intelligent design forum. I mean, why do the rest get 24 hour suspensions with warnings but twice now I get outright banned, period? This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-18-2005 10:29 AM

Hi Ned.
1. But Intelligent Design science forum implies the supernatural, does it not?
2. The origin of energy implies science, does it not?
3. If the above means nothing, it would've been nice to have, at least, received a warning or even a 24 hr suspension from these forums like the other members get rather than outright banned. It's the evos who really get the leeway here. Right?

But you made charges and administered moderation here. What did I say that was fruitless and endless. One message is endless with you, or is it that you are unable to substantiate your charges here that my points were fruitless?

Actually, after rereading, it was these two posts of mine which Percy cited. In the 2nd post, nessage 63 of forum Simple Evidence For ID if you read Jars supposed refutation to that post (which I was not able to address because of being suddenly banned), Jar's inept Biblical knowledge confused the tree of the knowledge of good and evil with the tree of life according to the Genesis account. It was the tree of good and evil which would make man like gods but it was the tree of life that would make man live forever, i.e. be imortal There were two special trees in the garden, not just one. Had I not have been banned, I could've explained this in the thread.So if Percy had read the Genesis account there, or given me a warning instead of simply banning me for what he considered my error, he would have seen Jar's mistake and that my message was on the money with the Genesis account.Percy's Message:

1. ID is science of a sort, but it is also pertaining to theism and the supernatural.
2. So far my hypothesis has not been refuted here. I simply get banned for adherance to an alternative view which both satisfies scientific laws as per the great debate and it satisfies the theistic aspects of ID as per the Bible. As yet nobody has refuted that, have they? If so, would you be so kind as to document where? Whoa, friend! Bussaw did not loose the great debate with Jar on the scientific aspects of this with Jar, did he? It's interesting that the judges never scored that debate. I wonder why?? Just what do you mean, supernatural tinkering? Man, I cannot win! This's very frustrating! I've shown precisely how it was Jar who messed up on the only ID form exchange I've been involved in since returning a couple or so posts above and you're now blaming me for Jar's gross missup, just like Percy did! I challenge you to show how I messed up the ID science forum, Ned. Please be fair and stop maligning my legitimate and effective debate here, none of which has violated EvC forum guidelines.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Hi GAW-Snow. I appreciate the sense you're making here when nobody seems to care about fairness with someone not running with the herd. If you do, please set the record straight on the two Eden trees, one of which was to make Adam and Eve immortal according to Genesis 3 as per my post 63 on the ED evidence thread.Edited to say "ID evidence" thread.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-18-2005 09:12 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

I just tried to post on The Bible Accuracy Thread and see I'm also banned from it. Hey, that's my forte, having been studiously in it for 60 years!!! What gives??? Who can show that buzsaw's Biblically inept???

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Hello!! IS THERE ANYONE HERE BESIDES GAW-snow who care a whit about justice??

Hi Sylas. Thanks for saying something. I was feeling a bit forsaken here by the mods.1. Can you specify some post of mine which establishes that I do not understand the word "empirical?"
2. Was my debate with Jar concerning my ID hypothesis "purely phylosopical, in your opinion?
3. Were the two posts that Percy noted, motivating him to ban me from these forums, including Intelligent Design, (my expertise) purely philosophical?
4. Did I rate my hypotheses as imperical in these posts or others?
5. "Fits the Forum." Must my views now "fit" those of the forum majority so as for me to participate? Is that what we have here?
6. Should I be banned from the Biblical Accuracy and Inerrancy forum (fully demonstrated over the years as another field of my expertise)?

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Are you allowing/advocating that I address Intelligent Design and Bilical Accuracy and Inerrancy matters in this forum, or are these now subjects that this elderly 60 year Biblical veteran is disallowed to address?Edited to change the word "discuss" to "address."This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-18-2005 11:58 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

But this has been the problem all along. Admins fail to cite specific posts and specify how they've violated any forum rules. Most often they aren't even cited, but it's been these generalized bogus charges. Percy has cited some posts, but that's it. He cited a post when he totally banned me with no chance of discussion as to what was specifically wrong. Then now he cites two posts, both of which he failed to show violations of forum rules and one which was totally bogus, Jar being the one in error and who, if any, should've been admonished. Instead of a peep about his posting behavior, I get banned. The same gross bad posting conduct by Jar was ignored when he bulligerantly argued both Faith and me that the Gospel of John is fraudulent and that there was no doctrine in the NT about Jesus relative to our salvation.THERE'S NO JUSTICE HERE WHATSOEVER FOR FUNDAMENTAL BIBLICALISTS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. FAITH KNOWS THAT TOO, AND YOU PEOPLE DON'T CARE A WHIT! FAITH IS A LOT SMARTER THAN I AND IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ME, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER THAT SHE AGREES THAT MY CONDUCT HERE IS NOT A BIT WORSE THAN MANY AND A LOT BETTER THAN SOME WHO NEVER GET EVEN A SIMPLE ADMONISHMENT (Admin Jar for a starter) He frustrates the heck outa both Faith and myself when debating the Bible, a topic which he obviously knows or cares little about, yet debates til the cows come home with nonsense WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH! I had hoped you would've cared more about fairness, balance and justice in adminstration, but obviously few seem to care here so long as their secularist ideology is not jeopardized. You seem to be a nice guy, Sylas, but imo, unjust in this matter.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

I and others have proposed a pseudoscience forum, which is basically what you seem to be proposing, but nothing seems to be progressing with that. From my observation and experience here, it appears our views must be held at bay and only be allowed a minimal airing, so as not to jeopardize the majority views. Too much effective creationism, especially the ID variety will not be tolerated. Unfortunately, any kind of science forum in which secularist counterparts cannot control the agenda may be a tough proposition here.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

Science, being the study of the uiverse and what exists in it, this view of science is narrow minded, that it must be secular. I have shown evidence that the basic laws of energy science can include the supenatural. I and others have produced sound logical reasons that BB science leaves many questions unanswered, some, no less significant than questions about intelligen design. We have debated sound reasons to believe there's too much complexity in DNA and other observed stuff for RM and NS, et al. I'm not saying you need to believe all this, but you're saying we must debate on what you people call your evidence while you're free to ignore ours. With no debate allowed on these matters, EvC is half cocked imo, and essentially you have no debate. Cool! Then I could be like Jar, free to post unsubstantiated stuff with impunity.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw