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Author | Topic: Dinosaur Fossil Found in Mammal's Stomach (against evolution | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
CK Member (Idle past 4148 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I saw this news report -
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quote: The important element is this:
quote: So does it? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 01-17-2005 05:08 AM
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AdminSylas Inactive Member |
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Yes, I'd say it does. Not in the earth shaking way that they imply but it does mean that the conventinal picture of mammal evolution is somewhat out. It also implies that mammals were able to out-compete dinosaurs in niches to which they were already adapted; and that is interesting.
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wj Inactive Member |
Reptiles and birds eat small mammals today in the "age of mammals" when the largest terrestrial and aquatic animals are mammals.
Exactly which part of the theory of evolution has been overturned or contradicted. It all seems to be a bit of hyperbole added to what was an interesting and surprising discovery in its own right.
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gengar Inactive Member |
It also implies that mammals were able to out-compete dinosaurs in niches to which they were already adapted; and that is interesting. Indeed it is. Perhaps us mammals don't have as much to thank the KT asteroid for as we think... So the article is being a bit sensationalist, as whilst these findings call certain ideas about evolutionary *history* into question (when mammals began to diversify) they don't have any impact on the underlying theory. Odds on that this quote will be haunting us for years, though...
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Exactly which part of the theory of evolution has been overturned or contradicted. It all seems to be a bit of hyperbole added to what was an interesting and surprising discovery in its own right. We're back to the usual fuzziness about what exactly "evolutionary theory" means - if we're talking how the theory of how evolution happens, or whether it happens there's no change here but if we're discussing the particulars of evolutionary history as it actually happened then this is news (at least to my knowledge, I don't work in the area so it may be that there are prior cases of larger dinosaur-contemporary mammals) because it modifies the existing view of mammalian evolution: i.e. only very small mammals existed until after the fall of the dinosaurs when they were able to radiate (evolutionarily) into the niches freshly vacated by the dinosaurs.
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Sisyphus Inactive Member |
Whilst the large size may be a surprise, small mammals have long been believed to consume dinosaur eggs (if Oviraptors didn't get there first); to extrapolate that to 'very tiny young' is hardly earthshaking.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4165 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Personally, I don’t find this at all surprising. It was theorized that mammals remained small till after the dinosaur die-off mainly because there was no data to suggest otherwise. A safe assumption to be surebut still, we’re talking about millions of years, and hey, they had to start getting large at some pointright? Could not this simply have been a brief experiment in size that leads nowhere? With that in mind, two questions come to my mind. Where did they come from and where did they go? That is to say, it will now be quite interesting to search for their evolutionary ancestors AND to look for a continuation of the lineageI think.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quote: So does it? i found nothing suprising in that article. there were lots of largish mammalian predators, especially towards the end of the "reign of dinosaurs." and there were always small dinosaurs. it was never unthinkable that mammalian carnivore would eat small dinosaurs. in fact, i would be awfully suprised if this was the first example of that. i'm quite sure dino eggs would make a good meal for mammals of the age. they're basically arguing a strawman -- there's nothing in any evolutionary theory that says that mammales didn't eat reptiles or dinosaurs. edit: now THIS would contradict the current evolutionary theory.
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 01-17-2005 17:12 AM
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Specter Inactive Member |
So let me get this straight: Will all the evos in this forum say who you are now? I don't see how this evidence can keep you an evo.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Which evidence are you talking about ?
The original post or the pictures in Message 9 ? And if you're joking could you please make it clearer ?
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3932 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Finding a mammal with dinos is not suprising. Finding a mammal who has eaten a dino is neat. We have already known for a long time that mammals existed with dinos so your suprise is a little unwarranted.
There are plenty of other things that legitimatly WOULD cause trouble for the TOE like finding the remains of a human inside a T-Rex fossil. If we ever found something like that it would turn a few heads. FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX. -- Lewis Black, The Daily Show
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
So let me get this straight: Will all the evos in this forum say who you are now? I don't see how this evidence can keep you an evo. because it's not evidence. it's an april fool's joke. http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.htmlhttp://www.nmsr.org/april_fool.html
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Dead Parrot Member (Idle past 3365 days) Posts: 151 From: Wellington, NZ Joined: |
That guy in the top right corner looks a bit like Ron Wyatt...
Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3932 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Was he even talking about the nmsr joke?
I thought he was thinking that the finding of dino bones in a mammal was somehow a problem for evolution. If he legitimatly thought that the nmsr joke was real he would at least have a basis for his statement. FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX. -- Lewis Black, The Daily Show
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