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KKawohl
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Message 198 of 213 (208617)
05-16-2005 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jerry Don Bauer
04-27-2005 7:09 PM


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Today, modern ID is a totally science based discipline that has no ghosts, gods, fairies, leprechauns or metaphysics in it anywhere.
I agree, except man's mind encompasses spirit which is energy, which can be considered metaphysical energy.
See transcendentalists.org
Kurt

"I Am A Transcendentalist"

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KKawohl
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Message 207 of 213 (210005)
05-20-2005 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by nator
05-20-2005 8:33 AM


Energy
The great energies of nature are known to us only by their effects; power efficiently and forcibly exerted; vigorous or effectual operation; life; spirit;(physics) capacity for performing work. The kinetic energy of a body is the energy it has in virtue of being in motion. It is measured by one half of the product of the mass of each element of the body multiplied by the square of the velocity of the element, relative to some given body or point. The available kinetic energy of a material system unconnected with any other system is that energy which is due to the motions of the parts of the system relative to its center of mass. The potential energy of a body or system is that energy which is not kinetic; -- energy due to configuration. Kinetic energy is sometimes called actual energy. Kinetic energy is exemplified in the vis viva of moving bodies, in heat, electric currents, etc.; potential energy, in a bent spring, or a body suspended a given distance above the earth and acted on by gravity.
IMHO, everything in the universe follows the universal laws which separate the physical and the spiritual existence. Energy is power, vigor, liveliness, intensity. It is a measurable quantity, without reference to its nature or source. Energy, or life is a fundamental attribute and function of the universe. Our bodies build up and harness a minute amount of spiritual energy that is transferred into the spiritual dimension upon our death. Then this spiritual energy is limitless because it lacks resistance and this energy can assimilate as a unity or be separate and individual. It is this spiritual energy that is God. It is a composition of the spiritual intellect of the universe, of every soul that has passed from the physical universe into the spiritual universe. It can create a spiritual existence of beauty that is beyond the imaginationmy spirit has experienced it.

"I Am A Transcendentalist". Transcendentalism Today = Balancing Science and Religion http://transcendentalism.us

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KKawohl
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Message 209 of 213 (210014)
05-20-2005 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Percy
05-20-2005 12:51 PM


Re: Energy
My knowledge therein is limited. Will we eventually be able to prove the existence of our spiritual enery's interaction with another dimension? I can only relate to my spiritual experiences and testify to their accuracy. It was like a burst of energy...an immensely puzzling and physically draining experience; the mind then attempted to
reassemble this interaction, wherefrom I perceived was how most religions
were started. Was this an illusion or an interaction with a cosmic spiritual
consciousness; a united spiritual intelligence, an ID? You will have your
opinions and I have mine.
I agree that spiritual matters can not be understood by science. I'll refer to Dr. Pim van Lommel (cardiologist) who answered the questions about my experiences thusly:
Dear Kurt Kawohl,
Thank you for mailing to me your near-death experience. The response from your father is what you usually hear from people who have experienced such an experience and try to communicate about it. This is such a hard confrontation. But I also know, that many, many people are open for it, and I also know that this is not a dream, hallucination or a vivid imagination.
Be careful in communicating about your experience, and listen to your intuition in finding people who want to listen. Be patient. I wish you all the best.
Q1. You can call consciousness outside the brain "spirit", if you like. But
this can be confusing, because not everybody has the same ideas about what
exactly "spirit" should be. And there are several "levels" of consciousness,
waking consciousness, dreaming consciousness, "subconsciousness", collective
human consciousness, morphogenetic consciousness, higher consciousness,
Cosmic consciousness, Divine consciousness. All these levels of
consciousness are interconnected, and available, also during our life in our
body.
Q2. I agree with you that also deep mental stress can facilitate the access
to other levels or other aspects of our consciousness, See also answer Q1.
But also NDE, meditation, regression therapy, isolation, depression,
terminal illness and other circumstances can facilitate this effect.
Q3. This phase-space is a higher dimensional space, presumably not just the
fourth dimension, according to Quantum Mechanics. Induced experiences are
never the same as a NDE, sometimes several elements can be experienced, like
flashes of the past, a feeling of not being in the body, or a period of
unconsciousness, but aspects like a life-review, or transformation after the
experience are hardly mentioned after induced experiences. All
ND-expeirences are personal experiences, where finding words for it is very
difficult, and cultural, demographic and religious factors play a role in
this. So I have never heard a similar experience ever.
Q4. Brain-dead is a sometimes very difficult diagnosis. But when the brain
has no function any more, without circulation in the brain, there should be
no access to stimuli whatsoever according current medical science, which
"believes" that consciousness is exclusively produced in and located in the
brain.
With kind regards,
Pim van Lommel, cardiologist
I have had three spiritual experiences in my 63 years & I think I know but then again I have to rely on my brain accurately translating these experiences which were puzzling and overwhelming....and then that is where faith takes over but then rationality replaces it with doubt and one realizes that every man is fallible because what man considers as the ID is way too astonishing for any human to accurately grasp.
Kurt

"I Am A Transcendentalist". Transcendentalism Today = Balancing Science and Religion http://transcendentalism.us

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KKawohl
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Message 211 of 213 (210030)
05-20-2005 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Percy
05-20-2005 1:25 PM


Re: Energy
In the Theory of Relativity, the intuitive notion of time as an independent entity is replaced by the concept that space and time are intertwined and inseparable aspects of a four-dimensional universe, which is given the name space-time. The existence of a fourth dimension is still being vastly debated. If we represent thought and emotion which is not physical, as existing in space, we must then accept the existence of another, a fourth dimension where these processes thrive. Our mind, thought, truth, intuition, intelligence, appreciation and awareness are all aspects of another dimension. Energy, or life is a fundamental attribute and function of the universe. Our bodies build up and harness a minute amount of spiritual energy that is transferred into the spiritual dimension upon our death. Some string theorists claim there are up to 20 dimensions.
Every person is born with consciousness or a spirit and it is not a religious force nor heaven sent or heaven inspired, though some people via deep meditation can have their spirit interact with a spiritual existence. The spirit or soul exists in the collective mental processes of the subconscious. A child’s spirit is a part of the mother's spirit which is passed down to the fetus and is then separated from its host at birth. Consciousness arises when contact has been made with a base; (sense or emotion) this is when spirit initiates its first recording. The spirit is the database of the senses and emotions. One may say that emotions are psychological, (of the psyche) structuralism, psychobiological, but they are nevertheless of the spirit; which also subscribes to a form of natural selection. The mind is unable to consciously communicate with the spirit. The conscience is the only communicator with the spirit or soul. The conscience relays information to the spirit unless the conscience is anesthetized by immoral acts or evil deeds.
In recent years, we have learned that up to 95% of the Universe is made of a type of matter or energy that we cannot see nor understand. Gravity may ripple across the Universe in waves, and certain cosmic rays, atomic particles moving at near light speed, possess an energy far greater than that which can be explained by modern physics.
Albert Einstein stated, Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universea spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."
Kurt

"I Am A Transcendentalist". Transcendentalism Today = Balancing Science and Religion http://transcendentalism.us

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