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Tranquility Base
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Message 6 of 17 (21053)
10-29-2002 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Percy
10-29-2002 8:18 PM


As much as I consider myself a geek, Linux has caused me to appreciate Windows! I let my students fight with Linux and even they're beginning to convert to Windows.
Finally I get to be mainstream in something around here! Having said that, see my postscipt.
PS - anyone who wants to do GUI Linux programming should get into Borland Delphi/Kylix. It is absolutely awesome. We just recompiled our Delphi Windows code in Kylix and now have Linux GUIs which look just like nice Windows ones. Death to Python & Perl. Long-live Borland Delphi. Delphi is the nicest object oriented but mainly component based Windows software development environment and Pascal is easy on the eyes and brain. Forget V-Basic, Java and C++. And there are so many 3rd party tools and components. Using Intraweb you can even write datadriven web-sites in Delphi (Pascal) with drag and drop DB web-access.
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Message 8 of 17 (21062)
10-29-2002 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Mister Pamboli
10-29-2002 10:14 PM


Agree 100% although I haven't looked at the .net stuff. We'll see how this pans out. Delphi/Kylix does everyhting I need for now and I have invested the time. I simply couldn't go back to Perl, Fortran or VB. Kylix is free. I just got Delphi 7 with Kylix 3 at about US$100 academic pricing. For programming itself (not web) Delphi 1 or 2 is good enough and is free I think?
PS - maybe Linux is an underground Microsoft plot to make us feel good about paying for software.
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Message 11 of 17 (21069)
10-30-2002 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by John
10-29-2002 11:32 PM


^ I'll wait for the bounce back. The code my Windows students write gets used by everyone. The code my Linux student still writes is usable by no-one other than himself. When you dress up Linux so that it is easy to use - guess what? It looks like Windows and costs the same but is still always 50 technologies behind whether it's OLE or COM or web or development tools etc.
It's as simple as Ooohhs vs Uhggaaaaaaaaaaaaaahs!
Good luck with your problem. Last dumb Linux problem we had was due to us using the wrong shell.
PS
Here comes a big TB prediction. Which ever OS makes it easier to develop 'Str Trek' like interfaces will be the OS that wins. That is what will drive things. When continuous speaker-independent speech recogniton (for example) comes in the OS with the better development environemnet will kill the competition.
I can just see Linus and his open buddies trying to compete with Microsoft with all its third party development companies (Borland, Dragon etc) making continuous speech recognition work! (not). The third party tools may eventually be developed for Linux but guess what - it will cost the same amount of money!
My main prediction is that the OS to support ultra advanced interfaces will win. 99.99% of us will be using the high tech stuff ("Write me a database driven web site with these three tables and these indexes . . .") whilst there'll be these Linux guys still writing the code into code editors (and loving it of course).
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Message 14 of 17 (21132)
10-30-2002 5:54 PM
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10-30-2002 9:14 AM


Fair enough John. I've got a funny sort of like for vi too.
Having said that, I've gone from Mac to SGI Irix to Linux to Windows. And over the last 5 years I've felt that everything about Windows works now, especially the development tools. Although I find MS word too fluffy I prefer it to vi. For programming I of course spend most of the time writing normal code but I prefer being able to drag and drop DB connectivity and buttons and being able to click on the button to take me to the subroutine. I just couldn't go back to just the file of code. The tools have become so nice. You get lists of your variables and lists of your subroutines in separate windows. I really feel some (maybe not you) Linux people like Linux for the sake of it and few objective reasons. OK, you like typing into a black formatless window. Fair enough. The only reason I have any time for Linux at all now is that I can write GUIs and number crunching code in Kylix and can recompile Delphi Windows code for Linux. At the end of the day I prefer using nice GUIs than sets of scripts which I have to type program names and argument lists. I prefer installations that unzip and install themselves. And so far Windows does a better job at this. At the very end of the day I don't care whether it is Windows or Linux but I want GUIs, advanced development tools for GUIs and no OS hassles. Windows meets these requirements, Linux simply doesn't.
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