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Too Many Meteor Strikes in 6k Years

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ringo
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Message 6 of 304 (210556)
05-23-2005 11:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 2 by Faith
05-23-2005 3:59 AM

Faith writes:
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...maybe a lot of comet activity occurred along with the -- ta da!!! -- Great Flood...
Bearing in mind that the Bible makes absolutely no mention of anything happening during the Great Flood except -- ta da!!! -- a flood.
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Here again, the Bible does not disagree with the scientific evidence, unless you make up stuff.
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Message 22 of 304 (210613)
05-23-2005 2:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
05-23-2005 1:44 PM

God tells all
Faith writes:
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God doesn't tell us EVERYTHING.
God tells us a lot that isn't in the Bible. If you want to know what the weather is like, look out the window. If you want to know about comets, etc., look at the physical evidence.
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"Most likely" and "could have" is no way you interpret the Bible. "Most likely" Noah painted the Ark red, because barn paint is cheap. But it ain't in the Book.
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...none really close enough to have been noted by Noah and clan.
So, Noah didn't mention the comet/meteor strikes to whoever wrote Genesis because he didn't actually see them? Then how did he know that the flood was worldwide? He couldn't see that either.
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05-23-2005 2:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 23 by arachnophilia
05-23-2005 2:05 PM

Arachnophilia writes:
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... there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses.
With effects similar to a nuclear strike.
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05-23-2005 2:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
05-23-2005 2:17 PM

Tunguska
Since you ask, try this: Tunguska event - Wikipedia . It includes some speculative hypotheses, which you may enjoy.
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05-24-2005 1:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
05-24-2005 12:59 AM

Do the math
As one of the more math-challenged members of the board, I look at it something like this:
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The mainstream age of the earth is about 4.5 billion years. The YEC time since the flood is about 4500 years.
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That's a factor of one million - i.e. - YECs must compress all of the meteor and comet impacts into one-millionth of the mainstream time frame.
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Therefore, they must also expect the energy dissipation - i.e. the damage done - to be a million times more intense. Catastrophic impacts would be a million times more frequent than expected by science.
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Of course, if most of the impacts were confined to the flood year, you're looking at a billion times the intensity.... And Noah never noticed it?
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Pretty far-fetched, Faith.
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05-27-2005 8:01 AM 		Reply to: Message 227 by Faith
05-27-2005 4:41 AM

Re: Do the math
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...none of them had any noticeable impact whatever according to science except the very few huge ones -- five I believe -- that are postulated -- not known -- to have occurred once in five million years or so.
I'm not following your math here. If the huge ones occur every five million years (your number), that's 900 of them spread out over 4.5 billion years. If you squeeze them all into 4500 years, that's one every five years. And that's only the huge ones. I don't see how you can hand-wave that away.
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As for whether or not they are "known": take a look at the moon. We do have a good idea how many imactors there were.
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There are enough and big enough craters on earth to think about without bringing in all the hypothetical ones.
They are not hypothetical. Look at the moon. It's surface is literally covered with impacts. Are you suggesting that the earth's surface is not?
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They don't have to have all happened in one year, but even over hundreds or a couple of millennia.
A "couple of millenia" would take you almost up to the time of Christ. Are you saying that nobody noticed a "huge" impact (your word) every five years? Nobody in all the records of early civilizations thought to mention that?
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...most of them are not big enough to do global damage....
A "huge" impact every five years and no global damage?
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...aim to calculate for what would allow for the YEC scenario to be true....
My point is: I can't come up with any calculation that would allow for the YEC scenario to be remotely close to true. If you can, why don't you do the calculation instead of just hand-waving?
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