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Message 121 of 124 (211003)
05-24-2005 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Lindum
05-24-2005 6:18 PM


Re: What did you say in the referenced post?
Hi Lindy:
There was no lack of data
I meant on the part of MY claimants (Smyth/Rutherford).
If you go back to the original pyramid thread, you will see Percy's response, with which I agree: the catchpenny site does not provide any evidence to back their claim
The strength of its claims is by observation.
But I saw a map in a Graham Hancock book ("Fingerprints of the Gods") which showed the GP apparently residing on the LLM by observation, which of course, is dependant upon the sperical equidistance distortion favoring the claim.
However, if you should ever be actually willing to investigate the claim, I will be happy to discuss your results.
I submitted your figures to another Pyramidologist educated in part by Dr. Scott.
He has refused me permission to cite him by name, but this is what he wrote. I have slightly edited the text to eliminate quasi-profanity:
"However one of the posters made the statement that "all the meridians are of equal length since they run from pole to pole." If you remember a little of the history of the surveys that created the metric system, you already know that is not true because of the irregular, slightly oblate spheroid shape of the earth.
I also know that probably the only way to settle this argument would be to submit this as a topic for research to a university lab -- first to determine the center of gravity's location for all the landmasses of the Earth, and second to determine the location of the longest land meridian and land longitude mileage AND percentage of land on the longitude. That these all might not be the same, I won't dispute here. As for the numbers I see another problem with the computations of latitude to distance. Are you aware that the length of a latitude degree changes as you go from the equator to the poles? I did some quick calculations from the table and found that they were giving distances in terms of a referential 69.09~ statute mile degree that does not actually exist consistently from pole to equator. According to my World Almanac, the International Astronomical Union determined that the Earth is an ellipsoid upon which the degrees of latitude vary from 68.708 statute miles at the equator to 69.403 statute miles at either pole! Now, while that difference only amounts to 1% of the total and is not enough to refute the numbers, I am rather surprised that this fact does not come up and is not accounted for in the mapping program used to determine these distances.
Second problem with these numbers really surprised me that NOBODY noticed a simple math error. Take a careful look at the left hand column of the table:
Longitude Start End Distance (miles)
31.134458 29.978810 31.595859 111.73
31.134458 36.835623 41.092437 294.12
31.134458 46.620608 46.797435 12.22
31.134458 46.818680 46.836866 1.26
31.134458 46.855465 49.966161 214.93
31.134458 49.996803 69.760591 1365.55
-149.134458 70.474423 60.037409 721.13
-149.134458 -76.280426 -76.443660 11.28
-149.134458 -76.711831 -76.763133 3.54
-149.134458 -76.924036 -76.984666 4.19
-149.134458 -77.059288 -77.117586 4.03
-149.134458 -77.259833 -77.353110 6.44
-149.134458 -77.581638 -77.681911 6.93
-149.134458 -77.707561 -79.607141 131.25
-149.134458 -81.358953 -84.571341 221.95
-149.134458 -85.169840 -90.000000 333.73
31.134458 -90.000000 -69.747780 1399.29
31.134458 -29.670950 29.978810 4121.40
8964.96
Meridian through 331 miles West of Great Pyramid(Land Coverage) Latitude
Longitude Start End Distance (miles)
25.602951 -34.064818 31.549172 4533.49
25.602951 35.008121 35.335172 22.60
25.602951 36.933509 36.953199 1.36
25.602951 38.535338 38.601241 4.55
25.602951 40.397340 40.505535 7.48
25.602951 40.869133 59.601285 1294.27
25.602951 60.223268 60.231021 0.54
25.602951 60.241275 60.317805 5.29
25.602951 60.345316 70.440262 697.49
25.602951 70.727913 70.907365 12.40
25.602951 70.939033 71.102678 11.31
25.602951 71.128535 71.134682 0.42
25.602951 71.139383 71.162166 1.57
-155.602951 71.172546 71.092150 5.55
-155.602951 71.074645 71.042876 2.20
-155.602951 71.017590 70.996843 1.43
-155.602951 70.858744 59.628700 775.92
-155.602951 59.317886 57.781672 106.14
-155.602951 57.687921 57.656986 2.14
-155.602951 20.128930 18.970666 80.03
-155.602951 -77.077873 -78.191093 76.92
-155.602951 -78.594871 -78.772231 12.25
-155.602951 -81.032089 -81.363149 22.87
-155.602951 -85.511721 -90.000000 310.11
25.602951 -90.000000 -70.302489 1360.97
9349.30
When I subtract 180 from 25.602951, I get -154.39705 degrees longitude.
When I subtract 180 from 31.134458, I get -148.86555 degrees longitude as well. Take a look again at the left hand columns of the table -- does that match the numbers given for the reverse side longitudes?
So even the degrees calculated from this table are useless for determining distance because the longitudinal lines for the reverse side of the Earth were just plain wrong. It's HASH. [edited] don't know how to SUBTRACT!"
I do not understand his arguments and he ignored all my subsequent emails asking for enlightenment.
Ray Martinez

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Percy
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Message 122 of 124 (211108)
05-25-2005 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by NosyNed
05-24-2005 8:16 PM


Re: Error? what error ???
There's a couple things you should take into account when replying to Ray. First, at one point Ray posted the LLM claim from the original source, and it is clear it is referring to only the portion of the meridian from pole to pole, and not the full meridian around the globe. The distance for the GP meridian is actually 7520.5 miles, and for your meridian 7953.74 miles.
Second, since this means the meridian on the opposite side of the globe is irrelevant, the minor longitude descrepancy doesn't come into play.
Keep in mind that since Ray can't read a map he won't understand your answer.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 123 of 124 (211477)
05-26-2005 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Lindum
05-24-2005 6:18 PM


Re: What did you say in the referenced post?
The previous reply was intended for you, must have accidentally clicked on the wrong reply button.
--Percy

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Message 124 of 124 (211953)
05-27-2005 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Percy
05-26-2005 12:13 PM


Re: What did you say in the referenced post?
Hi Percy,
I am aware of the errors and issues that Ray's contact mentions - I was hoping that we could go through the numbers and make corrections as we went. Alas, Ray was not able/willing to do so. There are further inconsistencies that have not yet been brought to light in my figures; but sadly, we never got past first base to address them. They are, if anyone checks, quite minor and since they are applied to both meridians, do not alter the end result - the GP is not on the LLM.
Ned:
Check your figures from the end and reverse - this is quite a long time ago now, but IIRC the error should be apparent. Since you made the same "mistake" on both sets of numbers, it doesn't actually make any difference to the result.
Cheers.

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