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Author Topic:   Need help--Harun Yahya backlashing
Andya Primanda
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Message 1 of 17 (21072)
10-30-2002 2:29 AM


After my rebuttal went online for several months, the Harun Yahya committee tried to counter my claim. They put an article to counter my site, here's the link:
http://www.harunyahya.com/70reply_andya_primanda.php
Need some ammo, guys. Their main points are:
-my analysis on Sahelanthropus is flawed
-they have to admit that australopiths walked bipedally, but they say there is no known mechanism that enable them to do so [count that as a half-victory]
-they refuse to acknowledge change from the 'ladder' view to the 'bush' view.
-they think I'm misquoting them misquoting Henry Gee.
-they point out the 99% myth.
my page:
http://liquid2k.com/traduza/humevol1.htm
need help! I have to return the compliment.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 4 of 17 (21219)
10-31-2002 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Quetzal
10-30-2002 9:20 AM


Thanks. I'll track its progress.
And bump.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 8 of 17 (21465)
11-03-2002 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by peter borger
10-31-2002 9:54 PM


Bump. How's it going, Q?

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Andya Primanda
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Message 10 of 17 (21496)
11-04-2002 4:50 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Quetzal
11-04-2002 1:44 AM


I followed the discussion there, but the thread sunk under some 'local' threads. Quetzal, can you re-heat the thread there? Tell them that Harun Yahya had successfully made creationism an international problem. Also, I am waiting for Ergaster's further comments.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 13 of 17 (21821)
11-07-2002 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Ahmad
11-07-2002 12:33 PM


Thanks for the support. Honest. The only reason there are only atheists helping me is that there are no serious Muslim scientists active in EvC (I count myself as a scientist apprentice; Delshad is still a student).
Anyway, don't you think that science is equally accessible to both atheists and theists of every stripe? As long as they do not question my faith I do not feel annoyed by their help.
You might find their own statements interesting:
'To Atheists: why do you help me?'
http://EvC Forum: To atheists: Why do you help me? -->EvC Forum: To atheists: Why do you help me?

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Andya Primanda
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Message 17 of 17 (21867)
11-08-2002 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Ahmad
11-08-2002 6:37 AM


Sadly, I must answer you, sometimes our only source on these matters are atheists. As far as I know there are no prominent Muslim scientist in biology, especially in the fields most related to evolution (genetics, taxonomy, paleontology).
Harun Yahya himself accepts help from Christian organizations. If you search his website you will find the ICR, Institute of Creation Research, a fundamentalist Christian organization occupied with bending scientific facts to fit Genesis, as his associate. So why can I not use help from non-Muslims?

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