God's Prophecies: what is behind them?

It is actually neither of the two suggestions.'Prophecies' are man made and man-fullfilled.Prophecy is probably the least spectacular of the bible gimmicks because they are completely impossible to support.I can state quite confidently that there has not been a single 'prophecy' in the entire Bible that has been fulfilled.Look at a couple of 'prophecies' and you can see how inane the concept is, and how totally blown out of reality it is.First, look at the prophecy about a Davidic dynasty. There will always be a son of David on the throne of Israel. So, how is this a wonderful prophecy when we consider that anyone subsequent to David HAS to be a son of his or they wouldn't be considered for the throne! It is a self fulfilling prophecy. God says there's always going to be a son of David on the throne, thus, anyone who isn't descended form David isn't considered!Here's another one, a bit closer to the modern day world.How many Christians wet themselves when they see 'Israel back in the promised land'?Forget for a minute that they actually aren't, but they forget that it was humans who worked their asses off to force Palestinians out of 'Israel' to help this little 'prophecy' along.Christians were becoming bored with Jesus' time keeping and wanted to help the 'prophecy' along a little. It is nothing to do with God, prophecy is nothing other than self fulfilling.Brian.

How so?

He asks, 'which of these models', and my reply was 'none of them'.My reply is easily within topic as it can be answred by saying that option two applies to my scenario.The pro crowd can argue that God has guided the participants. I can argue that it negates free will.If the originator wants to limit it to these two options, which are by no means the only tow possible solutions, then that's fine. But he should have stated that argument clearly.Brian.

Which then initiates a discussion about how science proves evolution beyond all reasonable doubt. I think you have misunderstood my post as it does explain how 'prophecy' works.But, just to reinforce what has already been stated, let me give you an example that I am sure you will appreciate.Just say that I proposed a topic that asks the question?Was Jesus a con man or was he mentally ill?What would your answer be?Brian.

You do know that the two options that you provided are not the only two options that are possible?For example, God could tell the prophet something and then humans could then do their best to make the prophecy come true, God doesn't need to *see* the future at all here. Just like the Davidic descent for the messiah, anyone who isn't a son of David wouldn't be considered as The Messiah by his countrymen, God doesn't need to be involved after the initial declaration.Brian.

The key word Buz is interpretation , and everyone is free to interpet the text as they wish.Just because you think his interpretation is utter nonsense has nothing to do with its legitimacy. If I wanted to interpret Jonah's journey in the belly of the fish as an alien abduction, then I am free to do so.Are you going to tell universalists that they cannot post here because you beieve that it is obvious that some people will be spending eternity in Hell?These forums are for faith based issues, and they are called faith for a reason. You have faith in your interpretation, and Jar has faith in his, I have faith in mine and I have more to lose than both of you Maybe instead of having a go at him you could discuss these differences in interpretation in a civil manner and try and understand each other better?It is not as if Jar has never suported his interpretations of the texts, he always does, he doesn't just say things for the sake of it.Brian.