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Author Topic:   God's Prophecies: what is behind them?
jar
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Message 14 of 77 (211590)
05-26-2005 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Limbo
05-26-2005 4:25 PM


What are you basing this upon?
It sounds like you're attributing much of Revelations to future times when many Christians see Revelations as long, long in the past and refering to political commentary related to Rome?

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Message 23 of 77 (212223)
05-28-2005 10:38 PM
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05-28-2005 6:34 PM


Re: Providentially Pronounced Prophecy:
Since you bring up Revelations, and it refers to things that would have happened thousands of years ago, it's a good place to examine prophecy.
We can begin with Revelation 1:1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Which of the prophecies came about "shortly", say within the author's lifetime?

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Message 26 of 77 (212251)
05-28-2005 11:40 PM
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05-28-2005 11:33 PM


Re: Providentially Pronounced Prophecy:
Yes, a few people believe that. But that's not what it says. It says it's speaking of current events, events happening at the time it was written.
So which of the things happened?

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jar
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Message 31 of 77 (212353)
05-29-2005 1:46 PM
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05-29-2005 3:13 AM


Child, you're new here ...
and so I've given you some slack. But if you keep refering to me as though I did not understand the Bible as you do in the quote below, my Admin alter ego is gonna have to give you one powerful dope-slap.
That's one, but like I said, the book is probably not written nor intended to be understood by the non-believer.
Learn a little more about my beliefs and knowledge of the Bible before you spout off again.
The Book of Revelations is a historical political treatise dealing with events from around 1500 years ago.

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jar
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Message 48 of 77 (212631)
05-30-2005 12:07 PM
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05-30-2005 10:04 AM


Since this thread is about God's Prophecies ...
let's look at one.
I believe that as said in the Bible, one day everyone will stand before the Judgement Seat to be assigned into sheep or goats. As you stand in line waiting for Judgement you'll be able to look around. You'll notice that the Goats are almost ALL Christians. Oh, there may be the ocassional Non-Christian like Stalin or Pol Pot but they will be the exception, not the rule. Instead, you'll see the Goats consist of the Christian Bigots that supported oppression like the "Defense of Marriage Act" and other discriminatory legislation. The Goats will include those Christians that damaged kids by keeping them in ignorance by teaching YEC, or that the Flood happened. Hurting kids like that is something that will be hard to explain. The Goats will include all those Christians that opposed Abortion but didn't work to make it unnecessary by offering to adopt, love and cherish every unwanted child.
On the other side you'll see the Sheep. They will be almost all Non-Christians. They will be atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans and Druids. Oh, there will be the ocassional Christian there, but they will be the exception, not the rule. Trixie will be there, as will Arach. The Sheep will be those who actually tried to do their best even if they failed, those who really tried to love others as they love themselves.
Prophecy.

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jar
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Message 50 of 77 (212642)
05-30-2005 1:14 PM
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05-30-2005 1:01 PM


Re: Since this thread is about God's Prophecies ...
If you read Matthew 25:31-46
31: When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37: Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38: When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39: Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40: And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
all the world, in other words, everyone who is living or had ever lived, are gathered together. But the folk Jesus is speaking to, the ones that question his decision, are those that believed in him.
44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
These will be the Goats. The Goats will be believers in Christ for the most part but those who totally missed the message.
The message is really very simple, love GOD and love others as you love yourself.
And how do you Love GOD?
40: And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
PB writes:
And i suppose that the sheep are all tree huggers who rolled up their sleeves and joined the peace corps!
They will certainly be among the sheep, but only part of the sheep. The sheep will include everyone who opposed the "Defense of Marriage Act" and supported accepting homosexual lifestyles as normal, loving relationships, and opposed nonsense like Classic Creationism and encourage children to think, to challenge, to test and temper their faith.

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jar
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Message 52 of 77 (212656)
05-30-2005 2:15 PM
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05-30-2005 2:05 PM


Re: Since this thread is about God's Prophecies ...
I am somewhat ambivalent as to whether this is on topic or not. I guess it could be considered part of the "What's behind them" concept.
I don't really have a good answer. I know I had a migraine that lasted forever. "But I'm much better now." reference to which character in which TV series? I would hope that a loving GOD would never even consider eternal torment and that the statement was simple in there for emphasis. But it certainly is a possibility.

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Message 55 of 77 (212706)
05-30-2005 5:53 PM
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05-30-2005 5:43 PM


Very OT
Trixie Pixie. Did you move?

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Message 57 of 77 (212746)
05-30-2005 10:57 PM
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05-30-2005 10:55 PM


Re: Since this thread is about God's Prophecies ...
Yes, as I said, most Goats read it that way.

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jar
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Message 59 of 77 (212749)
05-30-2005 11:11 PM
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05-30-2005 11:01 PM


Re: Since this thread is about God's Prophecies ...
I'm sorry you wasted an hour when the message is really so simple.
Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.
How do you love GOD? By trying to do your best.
Those who teach and preach exclusion, bigotry, hate, fear and ignorance are the Goats.

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jar
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Message 61 of 77 (212756)
05-31-2005 12:11 AM
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05-31-2005 12:08 AM


Re: Since this thread is about God's Prophecies ...
I'm implying that you have misread and perverted Jesus teachings. Jesus had no use for exclusion or bigotry.

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jar
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Message 73 of 77 (291628)
03-02-2006 9:20 PM
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03-02-2006 9:10 PM


Re: Since this thread is about God's Prophecies ...
Did you know that Jesus Himself was a Bigot? He was a bigot against Hypocrites,sinners and the pharisees.
He certainly spoke out against hypocrits and if he were here today he'd do the same, speaking out against those Christians that pervert his message, like those that show up on the 700 Club. Much of Christianity today is simply a perversion of his message, just as the Sadducees and Pharisees perverted Jesus' religion, Judaism.
He would certainly speak out against Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Wyatt, Scott, Hovind, Bakker, Roberts, Tilton and Swaggart. Likely he'd embrace those like Bishop Sprong though.

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